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See crude at $100/bbl in foreseeable future: ONGC
Published on Sat, Sep 05, 2009 at 17:00   |  Updated at Sat, Sep 05, 2009 at 17:25  |  Source : CNBC-TV18

If there is anything that has put the equity markets to shame by way of its pullback, it’s the crude market. From triple digits the market completely collapsed and went into what looks like an intense bear phase and then there was revival. As it backs to USD 70 per barrel levels, it seems to be looking like that market is stabilising again.

However, RS Sharma, Chairman of ONGC, says the prices of crude oil are likely to again touch the three-digit level, USD 100 per barrel 'in the foreseeable future'. In an interview to CNBC-TV18, Sharma said he does not see oil prices to go lower than the current levels.


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Crude prices peaked at a record high of USD 147 per barrel in July 2008 before they plunged during the economic slowdown. Sharma said producing oil at less than USD 60-70 per barrel was not viable for the company. "Oil prices are mainly determined by speculative trade and speculative trade in oil is 50 times the actual trade," Sharma said.

Here is a verbatim transcript of the exclusive interview with RS Sharma on CNBC-TV18. Also watch the accompanying video.

Q: Talking about couple of other factors that determine pricing for crude oil. The first one is extraction - in that is there any determinant to what happens with pricing and how difficult or how easy it is to extract oil?

A: The basic fundamentals of the demand and supply, under that it comes that when the supply sources are limited then in that case, what are the marginal production coming and what’s the cost of producing that marginal oil, that determines the price and we know that especially the North Sea, Gulf of Mexico, all the entire Organization of Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) countries, they are alarmingly seeing their production declines happening and if the production increase is either coming from Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) countries or Former Soviet Union (FSU), more and more of this production is coming from the frontier areas, deep waters where the cost of production is high and if we look at this oil cents, they are coming in a big way to contribute for oil production in times to come. We find that the cost of production from these marginal areas is quite high even this improved oil recovery (IOR) that has increased production from the existing fields, the cost of technology, the cost of oil field services. So we feel that now the cost itself doesn’t make it viable to produce at a price less than USD 60-70. One thing is obvious that in time to come, the easy oil prices or what we had seen until the 90s, those price levels are a thing of the past. We find after 2002 onwards, prices have been constantly going up. Last year there were serious concerns whether the future, demand for oil, whether the supply sources will be able to make and that got exploited by the derivatives market. Lot of these producers, the countries, through their own entities they came to the derivatives market and we find that the actual trades for 50 times than the basic purchases and trade is happening on the actual basis. So that market got excessively heated where everybody felt comforted, traders, producers that prices keep going up. And the bubble had to burst when the financial markets collapsed, everybody started to look for someday somewhere to roll back their positions and all of us started to find the collapse happening on the crude prices. But again the fundamentals are coming into play and the prices have again started moving up. I feel whatever the current prices are there, we don’t hope to see the price levels going down less than these levels.

Q: You mentioned that there was some amount of speculation as well in the crude market; the derivatives market perhaps put it up higher, put prices up higher. Do you see a situation over the next few months where crude prices go back to USD 150 per bbl. Does that look fundamentally viable as well because this scale back has been very sharp this year for crude prices?

A: There are the database to support these speculative trades and are as high as 50 times than the actual trades, so basically the prices get determined by the speculative trade than the actual purchases and sales happening. So that is a position on to what extent this speculative market is going to determine and I feel since the long term supply sources, there are the concerns about the capacity built up and I think that this trend of this speculative market  is dominating and is going to stay and there is going to be a lot of heat on the pricing and how and when the prices will again reach to three digit level is difficult  to say but I am very positive in foreseeable future we will again see the prices going to the three-digit level.

Q: You mentioned USD 50-60 per barrel as a range. But many fundamental analysts are already talking about USD 75-77 per barrel or more than that?

Sharma: Current price levels are about USD 70-72 per barrel already. So USD 50-60 per barrel is again a history. In near-term I don’t think the prices are going to go down to again USD 50-60 per barrel; they are only moving up. Sometimes, for a day or so, they come down but they again go up. Prices have already touched USD 75 per barrel and I feel the outlook seems to be more disturbing in the times to come.

Q: Just as equity markets are prone to be either undervalued or overvalued at some point in time, I imagine the same thing would happen with the crude market. In that where would you draw fair value for crude prices in terms of where we stand right now?

Barratt: I think that is always moving—where do we see fair value? Remember, we went up to USD 140 per barrel and we thought fair value was around USD 100-90 per barrel. Now with the current pricing structure and economic forecast of the moment we can postulate that the fair value should be around USD 66 per barrel and that’s where we feel the market would be more balanced and promote good economic growth. I think anything above USD 74 per barrel is too expensive and anything below USD 66 per barrel or even USD 60 per barrel would turnaround and we should get some form of inflationary pressure. So in a nutshell, I would like to see around USD 66 per barrel, to me that’s fair value.

Q: In the next 12 months, crude will closer to USD 100 per barrel or closer to USD 50 per barrel?

Barratt: I believe at the moment we are going through a corrective phase. We have got couple of months left to trade in the year. I feel prices will correct. I feel that given the way the economies will recover that will gravitate towards USD 75 and USD 80 per barrel. I don’t believe USD 140 per barrel certainly out there. But if it does reach USD 100 per barrel level, you would have to be on circumstance oversupply issues. But I feel that USD 140 per barrel is a far way off; USD 100 per barrel will really need to be a bit of a push on it. But over the next year, I can’t see moving too much further because too much has changed over the last 18 months.

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