KTM is very distinct because as you are perhaps aware, KTM is the world’s off-road racing champion. I do not know the exact number, but in their history they have over 200 wins in different races. They are for the last 11-12 years the Paris-Dakar champion, 12 years in a row. KTM is really an off-road motorcycle. You could say it is like the Range Rover of motorcycles and essentially their genes are of off-road riding and sometimes they make on-off road motorcycles like the Duke. KTM has its own space which is even more niche than Kawasaki’s. So if you were to depict this as a triangle I would say Bajaj is at the base which is the broadest as VFM and then you get into a mid-space which is Kawasaki which is little more specialised and performance oriented and really at the top very niche you have KTM which is almost like a weapon for very specific purpose. Q: Where are you fitting in Husqvarna in all this? A: Husqvarna is the peak of the KTM triangle at the top, because Husqvarna is the super-specialisation as far as off-road or motocross motorcycles are concerned and while it maybe very niche they have sales volume of no more than maybe 10,000 motorcycles a year. While Stefan Pierer would know this better, I would guess that that 10,000 is only going to become 20,000-30,000, it is never going to become 200,000 motorcycles a year. But it is very, very meaningful to that audience that wants a bike for a very, very specific and special propose. So I think in this way you could say each brand is individually exclusive in terms of the positions that they occupy, but collectively they present an exhaustive option to the consumer. You can choose something all the way from a Boxer or Discover all the way to a KTM and Husqvarna and that is what potentially makes Bajaj a global motorcycle powerhouse. Q: A word also on your alliance with Kawasaki. It has been a little over six months since you announced that. Give us an update. You mentioned a short while back that you would be entering the Indonesian market by the end of this year. Just talk us a little bit through your overall plans going forward. A: We are to enter the market in the next few months. We reached an in-principle agreement with Kawasaki around March last year. In the last one year we have worked on three major aspects. One, the ground in terms of distribution, because we have to align our channel with theirs, so there has been a lot of work that has gone on in terms of distribution, sales service etc and that is pretty much on schedule. We have also had to work on the product as I just said to make certain finer improvements. We have been doing that together and we have come more or less to the end of that. The benefit of that work will be available on every Pulsar sold everywhere, not just on the Pulsar sold in Indonesia and finally we have to work on the brand and its position in the marketplace and that is the last little bit of work that is to be completed. We had said that approximately in the middle of this year we would go to Indonesia first with Pulsar 200NS and as of now we are on schedule to do that and we are very hopeful of a good result. _PAGEBREAK_ Q: There is a lot of competition now. TVS announced their alliance with BMW. They are expecting their first set of motorcycles to be launched in India by 2015. Many feel that their alliance is also loosely modelled on the alliance that you have with Kawasaki. How do you see competition because their motorcycles will be available in India by 2015? Overall, do you feel that this is also a sign of the Indian two-wheeler maturing? A: It will have to be rather longish answer to that question. I would say that I see three similarities and three differences. When I compare in my mind the TVS-BMW alliance with that of Bajaj-KTM, I think the similarity is this - first and foremost, they have declared their intension to work on motorcycles in the 250-500cc space which is exactly what Bajaj and KTM are doing. Secondly, BMW is supposed to bring technology or aspirations to the project which is certainly what KTM also brings to Bajaj. Thirdly, TVS obviously is suppose to bring primarily a certain cost efficiency or cost arbitrage to the project which is certainly what Bajaj brings to the table in terms of designing and manufacturing KTM motorcycles out of India. So I think these are the three similarities. But I think there are three notable differences. First and foremost, Bajaj is already a dominant leader of the sport segment with almost 50 percent market share. Between domestic and export markets, we sell almost one million Pulsars every year. So, when we venture to make the effort to develop motorcycles in this space, we have the comfort of risking that project on one million motorcycles every year. TVS has perhaps a 1/10th of Bajaj’s volume in that space. So, just very objectively and candidly, I would think that this has a somewhat greater risk for TVS because the project is resting in relatively very small volumes at least from a TVS point of view. The second issue, beyond products is that of the brand. What I mean by that is that KTM has been for the last so many decades in the smaller motorcycles, as small as 50-60cc for little kids that might want to race all the way up to over one litre motorcycle. So these segments are not new for KTM. Bajaj as I just finished saying, is a leader of this space. So we are already a existing player and we already have strong positions in this space. However, from what I have read, I can understand that BMW has said, this is the first time ever that BMW is getting into this space. TVS as I just finished saying is a relatively small player and perhaps even in the Indian context is number four in this space, so the BMW and TVS brands are nowhere else dominant or well known or associated with this space of motorcycling as are KTM and Bajaj. Q: You are confident of maintaining your dominant position in the sports motorcycle category? A: I don’t know the future anymore than anyone else does but I can say this ever since the Pulsar was introduced in 2001, we have been by far the dominant leader of that space. So we have a pretty good track record for the last 12 years or so and for a new entrant to come in and make an impact is very difficult. Let me give you a simple analysis, just because Honda and Toyota make small cars like the Brio or Etios, are they able to really challenge Maruti in the small car space - ‘No’. So it will not be easy for TVS or BMW brand to compete in the space where Bajaj and KTM have been dominant for a long time. So that’s the second difference. The third difference is at the corporate level. Bajaj today owns half of KTM. So from the joint project, even if there is no benefit to Bajaj, let’s say all the benefit is to KTM in terms of cost arbitrage - that is still advantageous to Bajaj because KTM is half owned by Bajaj. On the other hand, if the products that are born out of the TVS-BMW alliance are not so meaningful to TVS because they are too expensive or too niche for this market. Let’s say the main benefit is for BMW, I personally don’t know enough then to understand what the benefit for TVS is. I can see the very significant advantage to BMW. They get relatively cheaper motorcycle to sell all over the world but what’s in it for TVS is not very clear to me. Q: Let’s just briefly talk also about the mass segment. What kind of products do we see from you on the Discover and the Pulsar platform for this year? A: We have several launches lined up for this year. We have at least two new Pulsars. I can say this much - one will be smaller than Pulsar 200NS and one that will be much bigger. So I think that is going to help us defend our leadership of this space and that is very important for us so two new Pulsars in this year. However, this year, our main focus will be on the Discover brand and Discover segment because I think after launching the Discover 100T in January of which we are able to already sell between 25,000-30,000 a month, this has given us a new foothold into the commuter segment because it is for the first time in our history that we are selling in large numbers a 100cc motorcycle which is a space more associated with Hero MotoCorp. We are selling large volumes of 100cc motorcycle wherein that motorcycle is the most expensive 100cc motorcycle in India today. So this is telling us that if people are willing to shell out five percent more for the Discover 100T, perhaps they have come to accept that this is an outstanding 100cc motorcycle. If we have managed to create that excellence then the next logical step is to scale that excellence. What I mean by that is this - currently in the domestic market, we sell between 100,000-110,000 Discovers every month. I would like to see that number grow significantly. When I say significantly, I mean to something that is over 150,000 a month. The Discover 100T provides us some answers as to how we could do that. So as of now, we have planned the launch of several new Discovers. In fact, I can say specifically that we have six Discovers that are being ready for launch for this financial year. We may or may not launch all six. We will launch somewhere between four and six depending on the competitive situation because whether we like it or not. Often what we do depends on what our competition is so somewhere between four and six new Discovers. I am very hopeful and I am very keen that with that, we should see a 50 percent increase if not more in the sales of Discover which would then catapult Bajaj Motorcycle volumes to the next level.
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