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Network18's Q1 income from operations is at Rs 138.6 crore versus Rs 96.6 crore. Its net loss is at Rs 25.9 crore versus Rs 10.66 crore. The company’s operating profit is at Rs 9.6 crore versus a loss of Rs 17.1 crore.
Raghav Bahl, Founder and Managing Director, Network18 said Web18 and IBN Lokmat are in a heavy investment phase. He added that the print properties are undergoing a pre-launch phase.
Excerpts from CNBC-TV18’s exclusive interview with Raghav Bahl:
Q: You have seen 43% growth in revenues. The bottomline has increased in terms of losses from Rs 10 crore to Rs 25 crore. Could you explain that?
A: We are a holding company of a fast growing media group. So, there will always be projects that will be in the investment phase.
In this particular quarter for instance, the Web18 group of portals is in the investment phase; particularly the horizontal portal that we are planning to launch there. It can be attributed directly to the cost of getting that portal up and running. IBN-Lokmat continues to be in an investment phase.
So, the losses are up only because the number of properties we are investing in are up as well. Within those properties, we are also adding newer lines and investing in them. But in particular, two of our projects are in very strong investment phase: the horizontal portal at Web18 and IBN-Lokmat in this particular quarter.
The two IBN channels - CNN-IBN and IBN7 - are near cash breakeven or cash plus. The two CNBC channels are profitable. The print properties are in a pre-launch phase. Most of these losses are coming from the investment phase of the web portal.
Q: Which aspects are currently in the cash cow phase and which are in the investment phase?
A: CNBC-TV18 is a strong cash generator for us. I wouldn’t call it a cash cow as traditionally defined in business textbooks because cash cows are channels or revenue lines which hit 10% growth rate.
CNBC-TV18 will continue to grow at a stronger pace than that and has got a long way to go. It’s distribution revenues still have to pickup and approximate the global average of 50-50%. It is currently only 15%, which comes from cable distribution. So, the cash generator in the group clearly is CNBC-TV18.
The potential cash generators in the group right now are CNBC Awaaz and clearly CNN-IBN which is now promising to get into that category. IBN 7, which sucked in cash last year, is promising to become cash breakeven or near cash surplus this year. So, the four television channels are either at cash plus or will become cash plus this year.
Q: What is the cash position right now for each one of the entities under Network 18? Are you looking at more fund raising options for any of the entities?
A: Our cash position continues to be extremely comfortable. We are at the group level holding nearly Rs 1,000 crore of cash. We are talking about cash that can be drawn down by writing or signing a slip of paper within the next one hour. So, this is cash either in bank deposits or in AAA rated bonds. So, the group has about Rs 1,000 crore of that with itself.
A lot of this money has also been allocated. About Rs 200 crore of this will be paid out for the acquisition of Infomedia. We have allocated another Rs 100 crore for our print properties, which are Forbes, Jagran18 and the impending English newspaper.
We have earmarked about Rs 30 crore for CNBC’s regional news channel foray. We have got roughly Rs 50 crore earmarked for Web18's expansion, especially the investment into in.com. All the other properties are pretty much self-sustaining. It is just in.com that needs that kind of corpus of capital to expand.
In the other properties, we have a commitment to Viacom18 over the next three years to put in roughly USD 40 million. That is something that will come out of the balance sheet of IBN18. But that clearly is a group commitment that we have to meet.
So, out of the Rs 1,000 crore, roughly Rs 600 crore across the group would be committed, leaving us with Rs 400 crore as balance cash with us. We can think of deploying it as some attractive new opportunity comes up.
As for cash raising within the group, since we are a fast growing and extremely acquisitive group, we are always on the lookout for where value can be unlocked for our shareholders, as well as for the group and raise cash.
We have just raised USD 21 million in Homeshop18 two weeks ago, valuing the company spectacularly. It is a one-year old investment, in which we would have put in no more than USD 2-3 million.
I am not at liberty to give exact numbers. But that investment must have gone up 30-40 times in 1.5 years of Homeshop18’s operations.
Q: Are you setting out a guidance for the kind of growth that you can see from Homeshop 18? Studio 18 has not contributed too much in terms of revenues this quarter around compared to the previous quarter. What is the kind of timeline that you are looking at whereby these ventures can be more productive and contributory?
A: Studio18 has now been transferred to Viacom18 as a part of the joint venture with Viacom. The Viacom18 results are not consolidated here. So, Studio18 has done very well. Studio18 is in fact getting ready to release Singh Is King. So, hopefully, it will be it’s biggest film this year. It is just that since Viacom18 is currently not consolidated in these results, you are not seeing Studio18’s contribution.
Since you have raised this point, there are three of our properties which are not currently consolidated in these results. They are very important properties for us: Viacom18, Infomedia and IBN7.
Those numbers are not being consolidated into the topline of the company. If we were to consolidate them, the topline of this company would not be Rs 138 crore. It would probably be over Rs 300 crore. It is just that there are accounting and regulatory steps that need to be fulfilled before we can begin this consolidation.
We expect that in the next few weeks to months it will be over. So, what we are looking at for Network 18 is not an Rs 138 crore topline company. It is actually a Rs 300 crore plus topline company once a few regulatory issues are behind us.
Every property is contributing. When we say the growth rate of Homeshop18 has gone from Rs 30 lakh to about Rs 2.5 crore, we are talking about the commission income that Homeshop18 gets.
If you look at the gross sales of Homeshop18, those are in the region of Rs 30 crore a month. So, we are just booking the commission income that we are getting. All over the world, the accounting standard is to book the growth sales and we should also look at doing that because that may just give a more accurate sense to our shareholders.
But the fact is that Homeshop18 is doing Rs 30-40 crore of sales in the quarter and is booking a commission income against it.
So, almost every property is contributing well ahead of its business plan. In fact, I cannot think of any property which is behind the business plan at this point.
(Note: Web18, which owns Moneycontrol.com and Indiaearnings.com, belongs to the Network18 Group)
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