UBS Sec bullish on auto, telecom; cautious on IT

Published on Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 11:31 |  Source : CNBC-TV18

Updated at Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 16:14  

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Suresh Mahadevan, Head of Research, UBS Securities

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In an interview with CNBC-TV18, Suresh Mahadevan, Head of Research (HoR) of UBS Securities, spoke about his reading of the market and his outlook.

Below is a verbatim transcript of an exclusive interview with Suresh Mahadevan on CNBC-TV18. Also watch the accompanying video.

Q: Would you be deploying cash now using this correction?

A: Yes. As you pointed out, we use to have 5% of our portfolio in cash. I believe we have deployed it and we are quite optimistic on India in the longer-term. It's only the short-term, which we are unable to predict because it has got global cues attached to it. It has also got monetary tightening and other things. However, we would take any correction as a good buying opportunity to deploy cash.

Q: If you have a model portfolio, what kind of sectors would you be trying to allocate cash to?

A: We have become overweight on automobiles because we thought Maruti Suzuki has corrected to a level where we would be comfortable buying again. We are positive on telecom. Its consensus kind of a call, due to the tariff war, etc. has been troubling a lot of investors. We believe that high quality company like Bharti Airtel should be bought at around Rs 300 or below it. We continue to remain positive on the public sector undertaking (PSU) banks. We think that there is a good value there. In real estate, we still like Indiabulls Real Estate . These are some of the names I recommend.   

Q: What's prompting the buy on Bharti? Is it that the valuations have slumped to very attractive level or do you think this phase of consolidation probably be smaller or shorter than what the market thinks?

A: I think there is definitely short-term pain in terms of quarterly financials for the entire telecom sector. However, but the key thing to remember is 12 players is not sustainable. My belief is that you will have some government policy probably early next year, allowing for easier consolidation of spectrum, etc. When the dust settles, a company like Bharti should emerge much stronger. As you rightly said, the valuations have become quite attractive as well. In the worst case we are looking at Rs 22 earnings per share (EPS) in FY11 for Bharti and at Rs 300 it iss like 14 times, it is not even valuing the tower company. So at Rs 300 or below Bharti becomes a strong buy in our view.

Q: What's the mood at the UBS conference? At these levels for the market, for most people, is it looking like a buy or avoid right now?

A: According to me, the mood is much better than what it was last year. The investors are still optimistic about the long-term prospects of the Indian economy. The thing that has changed at the margin is the stable government. I think a lot of foreign investors seem to be appreciative because without a stable government, you cannot have good policies for growth. People are worried about India being the first to tighten from a monetary perspective. My sense is that most investors will look at declines as buying opportunities. I believe that people have been increasingly deploying money into India. We can see that the foreign institutional investors (FII) flows well over USD 14 billion, have come in this year. India still looks very attractive with China for a lot of the global as well as emerging markets. This is the mood we gauge from interacting with investors at the conference.                

Q: Speaking of monetary tightening in India, what's the general view you have as a house on how to play financials like public sector banks now? What generally is the investor sentiment now towards that very important sector?

A: PSU banks have done relatively well in the last six months or so compared to private sector. However, the valuations are still fairly attractive. I understand the tightening argument and the treasury income kind of going down if yields rise. However, if you were to look beyond that, earlier they have always been compelling logic to own the private sector over public sector due to the huge differences in asset quality as well as returns.  Certainly returns while they have not fully converged, they are at least approaching each other. So my sense is that there is still an argument that we can make for PSUs to rerate. So our view is that we are neutral on banks overall but very much of benchmark bet on PSU banks which have actually helped us quite a bit in terms of portfolio performance. Hence we will continue to remain positive on PSU banks.

Q: I note that in your recent report you have removed ACC and Unitech from your preferred portfolio. Could you take us through the reasons why?

A: In ACC, we are seeing some pricing pressure in the South and with Ambuja which came in quite handy. We have just substituted ACC with Ambuja. With respect to Unitech, our analysts' conviction was not there. They felt that there are no tangible catalysts for the stock to do well. So we have increased the weight of Indiabulls Real Estate, which continues to be our analyst's top pick. So it's just a question of analyst conviction in the case of Unitech going out of the list.          

Q: You had the more aggressive target on the markets. After everything you have seen from earnings and the global situation, what's your year end target going for the market? What would that mean by way of an EPS?

A: We are looking at around 20,000 Sensex target by March 2011, which is only 14 months away. We are positive on India because of its demographics. We have around 178 million people who are going to join the workforce in the next 15 years or so. Logically speaking, if you can find them something really useful for these 178 million to do, the economy should grow faster and that is where the role of the stable government comes in. Looking by the first five months of the government, there are some encouraging signs. We have done some PSU divestment, the Unique Id plan is a very good one, the tax reforms are interesting and so there are reasons to feel optimistic. Looking at the first six months and if this is the shape of things to come in the next 4.5 years, there are reasons to feel optimistic about India.

Q: You are underweight on oil and gas. So is it your call that the market is going to make this 20,000 journey minus any big support from Reliance?

A: We classify Reliance as petrochemicals and we are neutral on it. When we say oil and gas it is predominantly ONGC. The oil marketing companies, which we continue to have a negative view on, is because they are quite subject to the government policy in terms of subsidies, etc.      

Q: You have turned negative on IT. Can you take us through the reasons for it?

A: That has been a big call because we were positive on IT for the last six months which has done extremely well. The reason change is partly because they have done extremely well and the other reason is that our IT analysts feels that there are two things which are very obvious - one is that in every recession, globally, there has been a reset point for IT demand. So this recession knows to be no different. The second thing is that the trend emerging which has a lot of hardware companies are going into services, makes the IT services very competitive. So as a factor, we have become a little bit cautious on that sector and it's only a marginal underweight. We still are overweight TCS. We are marginally underweight Infosys in our portfolio. However, it's clearly a cautious view on the IT sector as such.

  

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