Invest in rate sensitives with one-yr horizon: PN Vijay

Published on Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 22:07 |  Source : CNBC-TV18

Updated at Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 08:47  

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Portfolio Manager PN Vijay is worried that the oil prices are rising up again. However, he feels that with the trust vote out of the way, the domestic cues are strong enough for the markets to see some rise from the current levels.

He believes that domestic institutions are struggling with their investors because there is a lot of apathy about the market that it is very difficult to get people to put more into equity. According to Vijay, if one looks at investing for at least six-months to a year term, rate sensitives are very attractive buy at current levels.

Excerpts from CNBC-TV18's exclusive interview with PN Vijay:

Q: How are you reading this for the moment? Is it just a bout of profit taking after a heady rally or anything more than that?

A: As of now it looks definitely like strong profit taking because the shares that went down sharply - the banks and to some extent real estate, have seen humongous rise. The market itself has risen more than 20% and these shares have gone up about 30-35%. So investors being nervous as they are after the battering they have taken in the last four or five months, should be pardoned if they take some profit of this sort ;especially after a long weekend ahead.

But it is a little bit worrying because oil seems to be going up a bit more in the last few days. That's a bit worrying. I am not so worried as such about the domestic cues because now the consensus seems to be that the GDP growth would probably be between 7.7-8.1-8.2% - depends on which side one is and anyway no one can predict that because it depends on so many non-controllable factors. So people should be pardoned for taking some profits off the table. As of now, I hold the belief that there are enough triggers domestically, with the trust vote out of the way, for us to get some rise from these levels.

Q: So unless commodity markets go up significantly, you would not see substantial downside from these levels?

A: That was correctly put. If we took a scenario of oil around USD 120 per barrel or maximum USD 125 per barrel, and inflation tapering down slowly from the current levels over the next six-months - that's been factored into this market. Nothing of that is going to really change people's thinking about the Indian market. If we get any of triggers like the nuclear deal - Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) clears and we see the first uranium coming into our airports and then we see pension, banking reforms, PSU disinvestment, the Pay Commission money coming into the malls - all that could really change sentiment and the cash flow.

Let us not forget one thing, Indian oil industry is a controlled industry. So when you look at oil price going up, we have to see the impact on the government deficit, which is what Rangarajan was saying yesterday. So if the government is able to get money through spectrum, through PSU disinvestment etc - government may not be that bad after all and so the next three months - I don't agree with people who say there are no triggers in this market. Domestically, there could be several triggers.

Q: What is going on with flows? Almost without any flows the market moved to 4,600 and from there once again it did not get any support from the institutional side, which is probably why it got tired out. Why do you see such apathy from institutional investors for this market?

A: Yes, it is surprising because we have not seen any major inflows to support this strong rally we had. My sense is that domestic institutions are struggling with their investors because there is so much apathy about the market that it is very difficult to get people to put more into equity. They need some nice sentiment change. So, they are struggling.

But interestingly, what I find looking at the mutual fund figures that came out was, funds were sitting on cash and they have been deploying the cash. To some extent it looks as if the fund managers are a lot more optimistic than investors who have invested with them.

Q: After a long time, attention came back to IT today even as the interest rate sensitives corrected. Do you think that trade could play out that IT that has been out of the game for a few weeks can start delivering again?

A: It should. If you sit back and see the Q1 results, the positive surprises came from IT and the financial sector and to some extent construction. Going forward, if we see the strengthening dollar as we are seeing the Euro weakening and the dollar strengthening, that seems to be the very basis for the commodity fall, then you could get great profits for the IT companies. At least they will be able to meet investor expectations. So, I am not surprised that the smart money doesn't want to leave the market. But it is getting into sectors like IT.

Q: Does it make sense that trade to you - to churn out of the rate sensitives which have rallied and moved to some of the recent underperformers like IT pharma and FMCG or do you think it is premature to make such an allocation shift?

A: We are looking at it slightly differently. Of course compared to many others who like to time the market, we like to look at least six-months to a year and what I see is that the rate sensitives are very attractive at these levels because they have been hit brutally.

If at some time inflation goes back to 6-7%, the interest rates should come down - what would one be buying? One wouldn't be really buying a Satyam . He would be rather buying a State Bank of India or a Punj Lloyd or an L&T .

Buy whenever saw a decline like what we saw today. We bought SBI for most of our clients today, to give an example.

  

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