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Sandeep Nanda, Head of Research, Sharekhan said that they are expecting the market to continue to remain volatile. “We are at that interesting phase where it makes more sense to be a longer-term investor,” he said. He added that the markets are currently at a point where earnings are going to be slow but the market will be absorbing that.
According to Nanda, we are definitely going to see earnings begin to slowdown as compared to Q1. Commenting on the rupee appreciation, Nanda said, “I do not think that the rupee will strengthen a whole lot from here, but it is unlikely to weaken.” He added that the markets will see a lot of re-rating in the domestic sectors.
Excerpts of CNBC-TV18’s exclusive interview with Sandeep Nanda:
Q: What is the call on the market now, do you see significant upside from here or is the market just consolidating for a long time?
A: Beginning of August, we had come out with the note that we are expecting the market to be volatile. A lot of those events have happened, but the rest of this month is probably likely to continue to remain volatile. For people who are short-term, if you are looking at IIP numbers or second quarter previews, there could be disappointment on the Fed. Some of these could make the market volatile.
But if you are looking somewhat longer-term then clearly the market is going to do pretty well. We are at the point where earnings are going to be slow and the market will be absorbing that. But if the Fed cuts 25 bps and then keeps on cutting, then our P/E multiples would inevitably go up. We are at that interesting phase where it makes more sense to be a longer-term investor.
Q: The market has not quite started focusing on earnings for the current quarter yet but they will soon enough. What is your sense of what lies ahead for the October quarter, do you sense some disappointments coming or earnings will be broadly okay?
A: I think we are definitely going to see earnings begin to slowdown maybe about 4-5 points lower than what it was in first quarter where we had 26-27% growth in the index. So definitely the trend will be there.
We have started to come out with our previews, we came out with the first one yesterday which was on the IT sector. There we are looking at about 20% YoY growth with a stable exchange rate average compared to last quarter. You can already see that for one key sector, we are looking at slow growth despite strong volumes.
We are definitely going to see problems in the auto sector, we are going to see problems on that whole forex thing. So we need to see how the market absorbs it. There are also signs of general macro slowdown, whether that is loan growth, which has been about 1% year-to-date, or some other freight numbers. The market needs to start absorbing the fact that earnings are slowing down but definitely we are set for a P/E multiple re-rating.
Q: What is your top sell from IT lot and what have you penciled in as an average rupee rate to work on?
A: The rate is about Rs 40.6 for this quarter on average, and that is roughly what it was in the last quarter. So effectively, the volume growth translates straight in QoQ growth.
We felt that there was going to be political uncertainty, then we felt that the rupee would weaken and that might be a bit of a trading call on the whole sector. But with the way the political parties have reached to compromise, that concern has gone away. You can see that reflected in the rupee. I do not think that the rupee will strengthen a whole lot from here, but it is unlikely to weaken.
Companies might say that we do not have any problems with the BFSI space or sub prime etc, but it will definitely take a couple of quarters before that overhang goes away from the market and we’ll see whether we have got a soft or hard landing in the US. So maybe it will take a while for the sector to perform.
I think we are going to see a lot of re-rating and bubbles in our own domestic sectors and also extreme cyclicals. Metals, shipping are good ones. So that will be where the excitement will be from a longer-term.
Q: How much of a P/E squeeze, are you expecting to see for the markets post earnings and what kind of range would that imply for the market?
A: No, we are not looking at a P/E squeeze, I think we would see the market re-rate. If you look at past Fed hikes, in the beginning, markets might fall a bit because they are confused whether it will be a soft or hard landing. Thereafter, over a year you see the markets go up about 20-30%.
In our case, much of that will come from P/E re-rating. So we are right now looking at about 15 times next year earnings, we could easily go to 17-18 times. Some sectors like capital goods, where we are looking at about 20 times 2009 earnings, in a bubble they can easily go 30 odd times so we are pretty much set for a scenario like that.
Q: You touched upon shipping. What is going for the sector right now and what would you pick there?
A: No, we do not cover the sector but I am giving you, as an example, that it is going to be a typical extreme international cyclical which is bound to do well on things like Fed cut and re-rating, simply on stories of Asia decoupling and commodity growth, iron ore shipments and stories like that.
Q: If you had to buy metals, the other leg you spoke about, what would you be in?
A: I would be in companies which mine iron ore or companies which are into coke, steel companies. The more integrated they are, the better. We do not cover any of these companies but you have all the examples all over.
Q: What is your top recommendation from the power space now and anything you think might surprise by way of earnings this quarter?
A: We cover pretty much the whole marketcap spectrum in power equipment and we like that space all the way from BHEL to WS Industries and Genus Overseas. I would say that that whole basket of capital goods would continue to remain a star performer. People are simply going to be looking at growth and paying high premiums for it and they are going to continue to get re-rated up. We like the whole space.
Disclosures:
The information given is from publicly available data or other sources believed to be reliable. The investment ideas discussed may not be suitable for all investors. Analysts/clients of Sharekhan may have positions in the stock/sector.
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