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Aberdeen Asset Management is the largest institutional investor in Satyam. Commenting on the recent happenings in the IT major, Adrian Lim of Aberdeen Asset Management said the company has written to the Securities and Exchange Board of India asking for guidance and leadership on the Satyam transaction. "We are seeking Sebi's views on Satyam's corporate governance issues."
According to him,
He feels the reduction in promoter stake may not necessarily be viewed negatively. "Resignation by individual directors is a signal of board’s ignorance of recent happenings."
Lim sees value in Satyam shares at current levels. "We may consider selling Satyam stock at considerably better price. We will also look at strategic, financial investor offers."
Here is a verbatim transcript of the exclusive interview with Adrian Lim on CNBC-TV18. Also see the accompanying video.
Q: First a clarification, have you sold any stock in Satyam over the last couple of weeks?
A: No, we have not.
Q: What is your chosen course of action right now? Are you talking to other large institutions and examining the prospect of selling a block or inducting a large PE investor that can be a new management? What are your thoughts on that?
A: Actually, we are doing quite a few things on different fronts. As the news broke the first time, we were anxious to make it known to the management team and the board that we didn’t like the colour of the transaction. We have been with discussions with the management team on our views. Our views are relatively simple.
We have also been in discussions with other shareholders ‑ some foreign and some local. I cannot comment any further at this point. But we are all interested parties; we are all keen that the business in the company recovers from this set-back. But I cannot comment further than that.
We have also written to the Sebi asking them for guidance and leadership on this particular transaction. It doesn’t appear at the start that any technical breaches were committed. But in terms of the spirit of what happened, we see that there are possible areas where the governance period was breached on this case. So, we are pursuing quite a few different actions. We will wait and see how things develop within the company itself.
Q: In your eyes, do you think a successful resolution to the situation after the breach of corporate governance that has happened can happen in the existing framework of the management or in your eyes as a large investor, you will only get that comfort if there is a management and a promoter change at the top?
A: We have spoken to Raju directly and he is very well aware of the miscalculation that happened earlier. He is very keen to salvage the reputation of the company as well as the promoter group.
We do have to give him the benefit of the doubt. He knows the company well. He is a founding member of the company. For the short-term at least, he is well placed for a relatively quick recovery if the right things are done. I don’t know whether the company over the long-term might be better served with an infusion of more talent, not only at the management level but maybe at the board level as well. We will wait to see how things develop. But it doesn’t mean that with the existing promoters in charge, things cannot improve and Satyam cannot regain back the reputation that it has lost over the last few weeks.
Q: If there is a large investor – strategic or financial – which makes an offer to large shareholders to take off your stake, make an open offer, and take charge of the company, will you be openly disposed or favourably disposed to such an offer?
A: We would definitely look at it. It would be negligent not to look at it on behalf of our investors. We will be open to that idea. But it depends on what the price would be. It depends on many different things. So, we are not discounting any particular alternatives at this point.
Q: Are you saying at the current market price you are not a seller, but at a slightly more favourable price you will consider it?
A: It would have to be a considerably better price than this. You are looking at a balance sheet that has over USD 1.2 billion worth of excess cash. You are seeing a share that has been beaten down very brutally over the last couple of weeks. We see quite a lot of value with price levels at this point.
Q: And you have no concerns about all that cash actually being in Satyam’s books? No concerns on the corporate governance front all that meets the eye is not quite there?
A: No, at this stage we have received verbal assurances from the management. I think media and public scrutiny is great in this company. I think there is a sincere belief and desire in the management team and the remaining board members to do the right thing by all shareholders, not just a small group of shareholders. So, we will wait and watch and look out for the actions that would substantiate their words.
Q: What is the general takeaway that you have from other large shareholders that you have been speaking to? Is there a general feeling that after what has happened it is in your collective interest to try and usher in a new management in whatever shape and form? To that extent, if some of your stake needs to be sold to such a party, then you would be open to doing it?
A: I think there are a few takeaways. The first thing is that it is important to establish that a mistake or misjudgement had happened, and that everybody accepts that. I think that is quite clear from what we have seen so far from statements and subsequent announcements by the company.
I think there is also an important need to make sure that going forward something like this doesn’t happen again. We are still a very profitable, very cash rich software engineering business. That is something that all shareholders are keen to protect.
In terms of where this goes with steps at the shareholder level, I think that different shareholders have got different views. But most are quite open to various offers that could be tabled.
I want to emphasise here that the core business remains a very strong, globally competitive one. It is that core machine, the core group of employees that we do need to protect, because they are doing a very good job and this is a huge distraction for them. But that will hopefully go away soon.
Q: What signal are you taking away as a very large shareholder from the resignation of the independent directors? What does it tell you about what their thought process is and what they believe the promoter stance will be going forward, the fact that they have chosen to throw in the towel before the board meeting on January 10?
A: It is really difficult to extrapolate too much from those actions. It is clear that obviously not everybody within the board were comfortable with what had been done. That is clear. But beyond that, it is difficult to say exactly what their individual motivations are.
We definitely need talent and resource at the board and senior management level to lead the company out of this. We will be open to leaders that are willing to back themselves and be responsible for the shareholders of Satyam.
Q: As a large shareholder, how did you read the development that the entire promoter stake has been pledged to financial intermediaries? We believe from very reliable sources that nearly half of that stake of Raju has been sold down in the open market in these last 2-3 sessions? It is very likely and possibly true that his stake is no more than 3-4% today.
A: Yes, I read those stories as well. We cannot establish anything for certain. Nobody will come on record to say that. It is not necessarily a bad thing. But we do see at this point that there is value in the shares at these price levels, whoever the shareholders may be.
I think it is very sad that after developing and growing the company for so many years, it has come to such a messy chapter. But the story is not over yet. There are specific steps that can be taken even now by the family and by the senior management team that will improve the situation tremendously quite quickly if they are taken decisively and without delay.
Q: You keep coming back to the fundamental business. Do you have any concerns about not just the Maytas episode but what happened with the World Bank ban on which a disclosure was not made to shareholders or to the board members, or the ongoing Upaid case? Do you think any of these could lead to a worsening of Satyam’s core business fundamentals as well? It could lead to some consternation on the part of its key clients that there is a eight-year World Bank ban etc, which is also part of the news that has worsened sentiment on the counter this last one week.
A: Given the developments and the news that has been coming through, people would be concerned about their customer base. If you look at all the quarterly numbers, the World Bank news wasn’t necessarily a recent one.
If you look at their growth numbers at the revenue level, they have continued to be strong. So, it is undeniable that Satyam’s employees deliver a very good product, service at a very competitive price.
I think there is value there, there is an attractive business proposition there. There are short-term concerns. But I am confident that the team can pull itself together and focus on the way forward.
Q: As a long-term shareholder of this company, are you concerned that there is a process of derating that follows and Satyam does not go back to the kind of PE multiples it trades in, because of the overhang of these corporate governance issues. In the past, we have seen that the market does not forget such episodes very quickly. While you would be positive today because of your fairly significant holding in the company, would you be looking to switch out to a better IT stock in future on fears of a potentially longer-term de-rating?
A: I think it depends on quite a few things. If you assume that the promoters stay there for the long-term and are operationally responsible, then you could see that overhang.
That is why it is really important to analyse and understand their actions going forward, and to make sure that those actions take a significant step towards reassuring all shareholders that Satyam has recognised that it has made some mistakes and have moved on from there, and are happy to remedy the situation.
Over the very long-term, it is very difficult to say that all companies, even in the Indian software space, at the right price would be takeover targets. They could be potentially interesting takeover targets for other MNCs out there. So, it is difficult to comment on the long-term.
What we do know is that the underlying business remains strong and that is what we will focus on in the current term, given that the share price is so attractively priced currently.
Q: Which of these three scenarios would make you most happy and comfortable as a large shareholder of the company? 1) The current management and the current promoter stays on. 2) A strategic investor like an Accenture, IBM gets the reigns of the company. 3) A private equity or a financial investor takes charge after whatever rejig happens.
A: What timeframe are you talking about here? Because it is very fine to talk about new promoters coming in and new shareholders coming in, given the mistakes that the current one has done. But we need stability for the engineers out there, who are executing complicated contracts all over the world. I am more interested in stabilising the business environment for that core group of people first.
Over the long-term, people will be watchful. I can guarantee you this that corporate governance standards from here for Satyam would probably be a lot higher than before these announcements were made.
So, I am confident that the lessons have been learnt. I welcome public scrutiny into the company because I think that is a very strong control measure for the company itself. I think that Satyam is a very interesting test case, not just for
Q: Could you give us your take on the sector as well? Come January 2, the entire sector will speak and announce earnings and probably give us a peak into what they believe lies in store for 2008, spending out of US,
A: I think it is a very difficult environment for the IT sector. Even the leaders like Infosys, Satyam, and TCS are not belittling the challenges that they face. But given what is going on currently in the global space, I think these companies are very well positioned.
There are quite a lot of things going for these companies. 1) They are in a very competitive space and they have proven themselves over the long-term. 2) They all have strong balance sheets with very little debt, if any debt at all. 3) They are professionals and have been professionally run for years. You do not have a public sector environment or a heavily regulated environment.
It is meritocracy; it is free markets working at its brutal best. These companies have come through that test. They are well positioned. I am not saying the short-term is going to be easy. But they are well positioned for their recovery and that is what we are looking at them for.
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