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Six years ago Kotak Mahindra converted itself into a full-fledged commercial bank and Nariman Point branch was its very first one. In this six year Kotak Mahindra has seen an unprecedented global boom and an unprecedented global collapse and in all those six years Uday Kotak’s main philosophy has been one of conservatism. But will that continue as Kotak Mahindra positions itself in the changing world of global finance. In the last one year the world has changed; the banking industry has changed and so have India’s fortunes.
He said the bank is focussed on building its loan book by about 10-15% in FY10.
Kotak said, “I think this is a game changer and at some level this I think this is an opportunity to change world history. India has the ability because of the strength and resilience of its domestic economy to now begin to gradually decouple itself. India has to define its destiny in the financial sector. We got to be careful that we do not continue to have our minds be disproportionately influenced by dogmas of Western financial sector. “
A western financial sector that no longer exists as we knew it. That tectonic shift in the global banking industry accompanied with crashing markets world over and slowing growth have redefined banking and redefined risk. In India four events underscore the perils of that four letter word ‘Risk’. More Indian borrowers are going delinquent than ever before. But that seems minor compared to three corporate calamities. The Rs 7,000 crore fraud at Satyam, the collapse of retail chain Subhiksha due to alleged misgovernance - Kotak Mahindra Bank is one of the lenders to the private equity funded company and has moved court with a winding down petition. And corporate exuberance in deal making at a time when commodities, markets and asset values were at their highest.
In July 2008 Uday Kotak said in an interview “The Indian government & business, to a certain extent did fall prey to exuberance which is now getting seriously affected”
Words that hit home last month when Ratan Tata, who’s Tata Group, did 39 acquisitions in the last four years including the purchase of struggling auto company Jaguar-Land Rover, told a British newspaper, “If one had known there was going to be a meltdown then yes Tata went too far, but nobody knew. Both the acquisitions were made, I would say, at an inopportune time in the sense that they were near the top of the market in terms of price.”
Here is a verbatim transcript of the exclusive interview with Uday Kotak, Dipak Gupta, Falguni Nayar and C Jayaram on CNBC-TV18. Also watch the accompanying video.
Uday Kotak: Satyam is a great example to start with. I sit back and wonder whether if Mr. Raju had not tried to do the merger and and or confessed - would the system have ever found out what he was up to? And what he did for seven years - could he have gone on for a long time? And at the heart of this governance, I believe is the question about integrity of course, of promoters but also of third parties whether it’s auditors or rating agencies. And, we really need to go to the heart of this because a capital market system can sustain itself only if some of these very foundations of governance are in place.
On a situation like Subhiksha - first, let me clarify that we are relatively smallest exposures compared to most other banks. There are about 20-25 of them. Again at some level, we need to ask the question - whether there were issues which are deep rooted to how managements run Indian companies? And we got to ask these questions pretty deeply.

Kotak: Absolutely and fundamentally, irrespective of a particular situation, we need to ask ourselves a question that - if we are going to go through the market model of what I call as impersonal basis of taking decisions. It requires a very solid structure around it of governance. If we can’t put them in place, we go back to the age old way of knowing somebody personally, having a deep knowledge of his business inside-out and taking lending or investing decisions.
And, coming to the third point about the global situation and the exuberance probably which caught a lot of Indian companies - on that my view is every management needs to constantly have an internal check and balance where a set of people are asking the question ‘Why?’ And very often, we set of people mis-look or sound stupid at a point of time - but they need to have significant powers to continue to ask what may look like stupid questions at that point of time because behind every opportunity there is a lurking risk. And the ability to build internal mechanisms which ask what I call as stupid questions - should be strongly encouraged.
Q: But if one was to generalize these three as bull market excesses - what new risk mitigating practices do you put in place in a bank which wants to grow its corporate portfolio but doesn’t know if the entire pain is out of the system or not, and therefore is not really sure of how far you want to extend yourself
Kotak: I think there are three important foundations of a good bank for the future - and I was asked this question by Fareed Zakaria recently. And the three key foundations for a good bank for the future are: number one - no excessive, second - this is a huge psychological point - humility. Bankers and investment bankers worldwide became masters of the universe. The job of a financial services institution is to serve the real sector and the tail cannot wag the dog.
The third is what I define as no disruptive creativity. It’s all great to be - derivatives is one example, CDOs (Collateralized Debt Obligations) is other example and there are many examples which financial institutions have demonstrated where they have taken creativity to a level of disruptive. And therefore disruptive creativity is something which financial institutions must avoid and therefore the three mantras for a good bank are: no excessive leverage, humility and no disruptive creativity as foundations for financial institutions.
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