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Vedanta Resources will create three commodity focus groups. The company will demerge alumina, energy business of Sterlite Industries. The company has announced USD 9.8 billion aluminium capex programme and aims to raise aluminium smelting capacity by 2.6 million tonnes per annum by 2012.
Vedanta will also transfer 79.4% stake in Konkola Copper Mines to Sterlite, he added. Sterlite shareholders will get seven shares of Malco for four shares held in Sterlite. On the other hand, Malco shareholders will get one Sterlite share for every 51 held. The scheme will be effective from April 1 2009, he said.
Anil Agarwal, Chairman said that Asarco buy will be closed by year-end. He said, "We are looking to invest Rs 115,000 crore for which we have already invested Rs 40,000 crore. We have Rs 30,000 crore in cash and we are going to invest Rs 75,000 crore further in three years’ time. We will have 1 million tonne of copper, 1 million tonne of zinc and 26 lakh tonne of aluminium. We have also kept a provision to acquire Asarco for USD 2.6 billion.”
Tarun Jain, CFO, Vedanta Resources has said that some part of Bharat Aluminium Company Limited (BALCO) option has been considered by valuers and there are no plans for raising equity in Sterlite Aluminium
Excerpts from CNBC-TV18’s exclusive interview with Anil Agarwal, Tarun Jain:
Q: Why is there a huge focus on aluminium right now? It is a completely separate business? You have put in a bit of Vedanta Aluminium as well. What is the kind of revenue generation that you are going to see in years to come?
Agarwal: We have an expertise in making aluminium. The world has recognised it. It was necessary for us and our shareholders to enhance this capacity. This is green metal; it is going to be required in huge quantities in the world. There is a demand-supply gap of about 35 lakh tonne. It was absolutely necessary for our company to announce this kind of a project.
Q: In the valuation of Sterlite Industries you have included the Bharat Aluminium Company Limited (BALCO) option. Is there any clarity that you have got from the government on it?
Agarwal: We have not yet got it. We are still waiting. We believe something will happen.
Q: If there is still clarity needed on it in terms of valuations, how have you valued it?
Jain: We exercised the option in 2004. There was a valuation done. The valuers have taken into account what the value would be today. There is no separate number for this, but the valuers have informed us that while considering the exchange ratio, this factor was taken into account.
Q: By when do you think the deal with Asarco is likely to come through and what are the current impediments that you see to the deal?
Agarwal: We have signed the agreement for USD 2.6 billion to buy Asarco. It has gone for voting to creditors. We also need approval from three courts, which is in process. Grupo Mexico has also been given the option. We believe the deal is in our favour and we expect it to happen in two months’ time.
Q: Do you think that the Grupo Mexico can in any way stall it?
Agarwal: It is an open court. We believe that the union, creditors and the government favour us and it should come to us for that reason.
Q: Have you been talking to them on a regular basis?
Agarwal: Our team is working on it. We believe it should happen.
Q: What are we going to see from this restructuring?
Agarwal: There will be three independent CEOs. One is for the base metals; copper et cetera and one CEO will drive the aluminium business. They are doing an excellent job and they will continue.
Q: Could you tell us, how did you exactly value the Balco option stake?
Jain: Balco option that we exercised in 2004 was valued by the valuer and we are making the demerger today. So whatever is the difference in valuation in last four-five years, some part of it has been considered by the valuer. The exact number is not discussed but they have told us that this has been considered because that is important for the Sterlite shareholder.
Q: The Sterlite stake which was there in Madras Aluminium Company Limited, Malco is being bought back to Sterlite but at what value have you taken it down and what is the difference?
Jain: Malco used to own about 3.2% shares in Sterlite, through this scheme we are distributing those shares to all the shareholders. So, there is no question of valuation. We have distributed the total number of shares divided by Malco share capital to each shareholder of Malco.
Q: What would be the eventual share capital of both the companies, Sterlite and Sterlite Aluminium?
Jain: Sterlite Capital will be about 160 million shares and Sterlite Aluminium about 120 million or so. That is a rough number.
Q: Are there any plans of raising capital in Sterlite Aluminium going forward?
Jain: As the chairman said, we are fully funded so there are no plans for any equity raising.
Q: Why segregate the aluminium and zinc business, what was the strategy?
Jain: Copper and zinc are base metals that remain together. Aluminium and energy both have a lot of synergies. Energy is the main cause for producing aluminium. That remains and the third part is iron ore.
Q: The entire restructuring exercise has been viewed very negatively for Sterlite Industries, the stock is down and market is not exactly sharing the enthusiasm. Are you surprised by the reaction?
Jain: People have not understood the scheme. Sterlite shareholders are getting shares of Malco. So if Malco is priced today at Rs 200, it means that they are getting Rs 350 equal in Sterlite. If Sterlite’s price as of now is Rs 600, Rs 350 is the only value of what they are getting out of Sterlite Aluminium plus they will own Hindustan Zinc. They will own fully integrated one million tonne of copper production capacity. There is some misunderstanding and once people realize, price should reflect that correction.
Q: What kind of earnings growth do you see in Sterlite going forward?
Jain: I cannot tell you the exact number but if you look at the last three-four years and the kind of expansion plans we have announced, we have grown more than 40-50% Compound Annual Growth Rate (CAGR) in the past. With the volume growth coming out of our expansion plans, we will have similar growth going forward.
Q: You have also mentioned USD 4 billion profit in aluminium business, by when do you expect that and in which company will it come?
Jain: It is expected to happen by 2012 as Mr. Chairman said. We will be producing about 2.6 million tonne and our cost of production is around USD 1,100. If you go by a conservative aluminium price of USD 2,500 you have 4 billion EBITDA from one business which will be Vedanta Aluminium and Sterlite Aluminium.
Q: Can you just talk about the dilution that will happen in Sterlite right now?
Agarwal: We own about 73% in KCM which is the Kankola Copper Mine. The entire thing is coming as a part of Sterlite where a major re-structuring is taking place, this is the largest copper mine with the largest reserves. It will be producing copper at almost USD 1.10 which is a very low cost copper producer, this will come to Sterlite. At the same time, the aluminium asset is moving to Malco which is going to be renamed as Sterlite Aluminium. The Malco Share proportionately will be given to the Sterlite Industry share holders.
Q: What would be the outstanding share capital of Sterlite and Sterlite Aluminium post re-structuring because if it was a simple listed company then we could have computed it but now there is also a unlisted entity which comes into it. So, what is the quantum of shares that you will be giving for the KCM Merger?
Agarwal: We are bringing in the complete KCM asset in here; nothing is going outside the frame. The complete 100% has been divided between Sterlite and KCM asset but the major asset has moved to Sterlite. As far as the Sterlite share holder is concerned, he is getting a KCM asset and their aluminium asset is going to Malco and in that they are getting the share.
Q: Why is this restructuring done because the sense that one gets going forward that you have moved the better looking and capital intensive business, which is energy and aluminium into Sterlite Aluminium. You are left with a company, which has zinc and copper assets. If Asarco doesn’t go through any way Grupo
Agarwal: We are going to invest Rs 1,15,000 crore (one lakh fifteen thousand crore) in our complete plant. When we used to go to investors they never used to like this cross holding. We grew in last four-five years; we got the zinc, aluminium, copper assets. Then we hired the best of the advisors, they have given us a proposal where by all the copper and zinc asset will come to Sterlite Industries. All the aluminium assets will go to Vedanta Aluminium and Sesa Goa will have iron ore. The entire thing was to invest Rs 1,15,000 crore, of which Rs 40,000 crore is already invested in the last three years. We have Rs 30,000 crore cash and we are going to spend Rs 75,000 crore in another three years time.
After doing that what is going to happen is we have made a provision for Asarco. Asarco is going to come to our folds, which will cost us USD 2.6 billion. We are going to invest some money into zinc because zinc is going to grow. We are going to produce 600 tonnes of silver in three years time; silver is a great metal. In aluminium, we are going to produce 26 lakh tonnes of complete integrated metals and also 4,000 megawatts power. All this together will cost us Rs 1,15,000 crore.
As far as Sterlite is concerned, this will have tremendous growth because copper is the king in metals and has phenomenal future. We are making verticals for copper, zinc, silver and lead business, which is going to grow. We believe that Asarco is a done deal but we require two more months to complete the transaction. We will produce 1.25 million tonnes of copper, 1 million tonnes of zinc, 600 tonnes of silver and also about 200,000 tonnes of lead. So, it will generate tremendous EBITDA.
Q: Can you give us a value of the assets, how much Sterlite has in its books post restructuring?
Agarwal: The value won’t be changing at all. I won’t be able to give you the exact number for whatever value is going away but in respect of that you are getting the share of Vedanta Aluminium.
Q: In whose books is Rs 30,000 crore cash right now, Sterlite’s or Vedanta’s books?
Agarwal: It has been done proportionately. The money required for Sterlite Industries for zinc and for Asarco is in the book of Sterlite. That’s how it has been given proportionately and the balance money which is required has moved to Vedanta Aluminium. It is probably a 50-50, about Rs 15,000 crore is with Sterlite and same amount with Vedanta.
Q: For Sterlite Aluminium to grow in terms of Capex, would you be coming and tapping the markets any time soon? We also have the Sterlite Energy IPO which has been shelved as of now, any plans to revive it once this restructuring goes through?
Agarwal: For a complete Rs 1, 15,000 crore, we have a plan whereby Rs 40,000 crore is invested. We have Rs 30,000 crore and we need Rs 75,000 crore in three year’s time. We believe that we will have internal accrual and generate about Rs 20,000 crore cash every year. So with that, we will be able to complete but if we require some debt, we might take some but we have no plan to come for equity in market.
Q: Are there any plans for an IPO for Sterlite Energy as of now?
Agarwal: Not for Sterlite Energy, Vedanta Aluminium and not even for Sterlite Industries.
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