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Further int rate hike to cause concern: Ashok Leyland
Published on Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:00   |  Updated at Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:50  |  Source : CNBC-TV18

R Seshasayee, MD of Ashok Leyland said a further interest rate hike could cause concern for the industry. India Inc can sustain equilibrium if interest rates stay stable, he said.

Availability of finance remains an issue for transport operators. But operators can absorb fuel price hike for the moment, he said.


 Excerpts from CNBC-TV18's exclusive interview with R Seshasayee:

Q: How worrying is the whole macro economic situation according to you right now in India?

A: There is no doubt that there is a great deal of uncertainty about the future. We have moved in to a difficult phase. Right at the ground level, the level of despondency will not be as high as what you see in the stock market. We are now perhaps moving in to a new level of equilibrium, an 8X8 equilibrium where you could sustain 8% in the growth with 8% inflation, which is not at all a bad situation so long as the inflation is not eating into the savings ratio. The savings level continues to be reasonably high. We can sustain this growth and therefore some self-correction is possible.

So, this despondency at the ground level is not seen to the same extent as you might see in the stock market. But there is no doubt that there is a slowdown. From our industry point of view, all around, there is concern about lack of finance availability and therefore postponement of purchases of trucks. The sentiment is rather dull but freight is still available. The movement is not stopped, so therefore its not as bad.

Q: Is that your sense that for the rest of this year and perhaps even longer we will live with pretty high inflation around that 8% mark that you indicated?

A: There is no respite to the fact that some of the fundamental commodity pushes on the inflation side are going to get abated or there is anything in the horizon, which will correct these in the short-term. This is not a liquidity driven situation because today consumers are not dictating the commodity market but producers are. It effectively means that there is no commodity market; producers are dictating the market that is going to go up and no respite is seen in terms of fundamentals - food availability or iron ore availability so on and so forth. The question is do corporates have to expect a lower level of savings than what they have been clocking in the last few years? Not so much because India continues to be competitive, thanks to the also self-correcting rupee; the competitiveness of the Indian industry is not in doubt.  

Q: What about interest rates - we have all been living with fairly high interest rates for the last many months and the hope was that in 2008, that would begin to come off, now there are fears that it might harden and at best remain flat, how much of a burden could that be for growth from here?

A: That is a certainly worrisome issue in the sense that if there is further going to be a correction for inflation by way of the hike in the interest rate, we could be at a tipping point. It is a concern issue. But we need to keep focusing on the fact that our real interest rates even now has gone up and not gone down. Therefore, to that extent, you have lesser urgency for a correction on inflation through interest rates. There is enough liquidity in the markets but not too much liquidity. We have a good balance now and if the interest rates do not go up then we can sustain this equilibrium. 

Q: How that impacts an industry like yours in specific with rates, input cost remaining high? What is the kind of leverage or elbowroom is there right now for price increases?

A: From transport operator’s point of view, it is the availability of finances that has become an issue. This is not to do with the fact that there is lack of liquidity, it is just that some of the big players have chosen not to go into this market because they fear a potential Non Performing Asset (NPA) situation or simply because their book is a bit unbalanced. There are other players such as the nationalized banks who have headroom for stepping in and building a book on vehicles, automobiles finance in general and commercial vehicles in particular and they will do so. And if that happens, then there is not much of an issue in terms of an interest rates. That’s a very peculiar and a very unique situation concerning the truck operators. The interest rates going up could get into a tipping point specifically at this point of time. Given the current interest rates for commercial vehicles and the automobiles industry in general, interest rate is not yet a tipping point. It is not a major concern, the availability and the allocation of funds by the big financers is an issue now.

If we see further potential for input cost going up, you would have no choice but to increase prices. Pushing the prices beyond a point would have further dampening effect in terms of demand. But, there is some little headroom available for price push without affecting the demand.

Q: Going by past instances of the last decade or so, how would you rate the ability of people in the industry to see an impending slowdown coming or it’s already on them?

A: We are notoriously bad in forecasting. My only consolation is that the economies, the industry, the market, the stock market, have all been unprepared for an impending slowdown. The fact that we are staring at the face of some of these underlying commodity issues for long - still we chose to ignore them, is a clear case that we are not seeing enough of the future.

Q: There is also another body of thought that seems to indicate that the key concern right now may not be between deficits, it may not be in inflation. It’s the kind of monetary policy and for some it’s actually being seen as a slightly loose monetary policy, what would you say to that?

A: If you just look at the overall NPA (Non-Performing Assets) situation for the banking system, it’s still pretty much under control. The anatomy of this inflation is not necessarily monetarily driven. The total money availability is certainly a factor but the excess money liquidity is not the push.

Q: What about fuel prices - what did you make of the token hike that was announced, and what kind of implications do you see it having on industry per say and yours in specific?

A:  Some of the operators feel that this is a level that they can absorb. There is concern in terms of this going up. But at the moment it’s getting absorbed. There would be some vocal protest from the community at large. But it’s not again pushing them to a dipping point. From our point of view, energy needs to be priced correctly in order to bring conservation. The headroom for cutting down energy consumption in every industry including ours is quite high and when you get pushed into this, there is no doubt that you begin to innovate. You begin to look at new ways not merely in terms of energy consumption in the factory but how to get better fuel efficiency in the vehicle. So, it’s a good thing to happen.

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