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No addl provisioning on credit default swaps: ICICI Bank

Published on Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 13:32 , Updated at Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:59
Source : CNBC-TV18

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ICICI Bank's net profit was down by 6% at Rs 728 crore versus Rs 775.1 crore for the quarter-ended June 2008 (Q1). The bank's Q1 NII was up by 25% at Rs  2083.8 crore versus Rs 1663.4 crore.
 
Chanda Kochhar
, Joint Managing Director and CFO,ICICI Bank, said the increase in provisions is similar to the last quarter. "There is no additional provisioning in the collaterised debt obligations portfolio. There is no additional hit on credit-default swaps in CDO and credit- linked notes portfolio."

India's largest private sector bank is focusing on increasing current, savings accounts, she said. "Current account-savings account ratio stands above 27%."

According to her, there is no firm plan on listing the insurance entity yet.

She said the bank is not desperate to raise capital right now.

Excerpts from CNBC-TV18’s exclusive interview with Chanda Kochhar:

 

Q: Can you take us through the highlights of the performance? Would you say that it was entirely the bond market, which let your bank down but the core performance is intact?

 

A: The core performance has improved substantially. We have seen an increase in core operating profit by 74%, which is a robust increase in our performance.

 

This has come on the back of about 41% increase in net interest income, a similar kind of increase in fee income and a good control on operating expenses. So, indeed, the operating performance has improved substantially. But there have been challenges on the market side. It is the bonds and the equity market that have put pressure on the total performance.  

 

Q: Could you break-up the provisioning? How much of it would have been MTM (Mark to Market) and were they trading losses?

 

A: We consider the trading impact in our treasury line. So, there is nothing additional that is hidden in the provisions. We provide the provisions towards the credit book and the increase in provisions this quarter has been similar to the increase in provisions that took place the previous quarter. So, there is nothing extraordinary there as well.

 

Q: Break-up the provisioning with respect to what would be the Collateralised Debt Obligations (CDO) and Credit Linked Notes (CLN) component. What were the MTMs that the bank had to suffer or provide for on that front?

 

A: On the CDO and CLN portfolio, there was no additional provisioning that was required this quarter. Whatever provisioning we had made as on March 31, the spread continues to remain similar.

 

We have not increased the book at all. So, there was no further impact of CDO-CLN in this quarter at all.     

 

Q: You said that operating expenses were under control. Can you tell us what the rise in operating expenses was?

 

A: On a Year-on-Year basis, the opex went up by 10%. But this is after taking into account the fact that we have rolled out 475 new branches over the last quarter. If you look at the amount of opex in absolute terms, it is actually lower than Q4 operating expenses.

 

 

Q: Take us through the details of the net interest income picture. What was the growth in advances and deposits for the first quarter?

 

A: The growth in the advances was 13%, if you look at the standalone of ICICI Bank. But if you consolidate it with the Housing Finance company and our subsidiaries, then the growth was 20%. Within that, the corporate sector and the international balance sheet has grown substantially.

 

If you look at the net interest margin, there has been a sustained increase in our net interest margin over the various quarters. During Q1 of last year, our net interest margin was 1.95% and in Q1 of this year our net interest margin has been 2.4%.

 

Q: Can you take us through also the deposit growth?

 

A: The deposit in absolute terms has increased very marginally because we really have maintained substantial liquidity with ourselves and we did not need to increase the total deposits. Our focus has been on increasing the current and savings account. So, we saw the Current account and saving account (CASA) deposit grow by 25%.

 

In this quarter, we have had savings deposits grow by Rs 4,500 crore, which is a very substantial number. It means there is a 35% increase in our savings account and that takes our CASA ratio to above 27%.

 

Q: Would you be able to better this considering that you have opened 475 new branches?

 

A: Indeed, that is our plan and we are very confident that we will be able to better this further, as we go along. Details on CASA are not out yet. But I do believe from the preliminary numbers we have that our increase in CASA has been much more than the industry average increase in CASA this quarter.

 

 

 

Q: With respect to the credit default swaps (CDS), the street was expecting a further hit of about USD 80 million. Did you have to take a hit on the CDS?

 

A: No, we didn’t have to take any hit on the CDS and Collateralised Debt Obligation-Credit linked note (CDO-CLN) portfolio. We did not increase the portfolio in the last 6-8 months and ave been very carefully monitoring the credit quality underlying those portfolios. The market really did not widen much, so we did not have to take any hit on the CDO and CLN portfolio.

 

Q: Can you enlighten us a bit about the international business/ What was its contribution and growth?

 

A: The international part of the business grew almost 60% for us and now it forms 30% of our total banking book.

 

Q: What about retail?

 

A: When we look at the bank and the housing finance put together, it grew by 5%, which is inline with what I have been saying since the beginning of the year.

 

Q: Would you say that your Non-Performing Assets (NPA) problems are kind of plateauing out? What has been the NPA percentage net and gross this quarter?

 

A: I don’t see any NPA problem as such. The increase in provisioning is in line with what happened the last quarter. So, there is no significant deterioration here the credit quality is under control; so that is the increase in the NPA.

 

The ratios would tend to increase now over a period because the balance sheet growth is not at the same rate as what it used to be in the past. So, what is important is to look at the addition to the NPAs on a QoQ basis. That is clearly in line with what happened in the last quarter as well. 

 

Q: Is the net NPA a little over 1.5%?

 

A: The net NPA is 1.7%.

 

Q: That is compared to the 1.5% that you reported last year?                      

 

A: Yes, that is because the rate of growth of balance sheet is much lower.

 

Q: In general, the insurance business was believed to be slowing down. How has been the performance of the insurance space?

 

A: Insurance companies have actually increased their market share. Our life insurance company’s market share in the total market has gone up from 12.7% to 13.8%. Similarly, the non-life insurance company has retained its market share at about 12%. So, our insurance companies have seen robust growth.             

 

Q: There was news of bringing ICICI Securities to the market i.e. listing that company. Was there any progress on that front? One was expecting something in this quarter.

 

A: We were planning that issue to realise and set benchmarks in terms of pricing and not really because we had a desperate need for capital. So, with these capital markets, we don’t think that this is the optimum time to take any company to the market.

 

We would take such steps only when we believe the market conditions are right because otherwise we are not really desperate to raise capital. Even at the bank level, our capital adequacy is actually very strong. We are at 13.5% compared to our requirement of 9%.    

 

Q: What about the insurance companies? You had given yourselves and even the law required that you should bring it to the market. I know you still have some elbowroom. But what is the timetable of bringing the insurance companies to the market, into listing?

 

A: We have quite some time available for that, so we would keep watching. The whole decision would depend on the rate of growth of insurance business; what is the right timing in the market and when do we think we would get the right valuations. As of now, there is no firm plan on any of these. We have a lot of elbowroom both in terms of timing as well as capital availability. We don’t really need to take any steps which need not be right in terms of its value.   

 

Q: There is no timetable at all at the moment on the radar?

 

A: At the moment, there is no timetable.

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