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See downside risk to '09 earning forecast: Religare Aegon

Published on Thu, Jul 10 at 18:35 , Updated at Mon, Jul 14 at 09:59
Source : CNBC-TV18

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It was an extremely volatile session at the markets. The indices got off to a shaky start with attempts at a recovery not amounting to much. The Nifty closed at 4,162 up 5 points, while the Sensex shut shop at 13,926 down 38 points.

Vetri Subramaniam, Head-Equity Funds, Religare Aegon Asset Management, sees more downside risk to earnings forecasts in 2009. "Infosys and other IT results are likely to be inline with expectations. The Q1 margins of tech companies are likely to be better. However, FY09 margins may be under pressure."

He feels the markets are likely to trade much better in July than June. "With near-term concerns discounted, the markets may rally in July."

The trend seen in past 4-5 days is encouraging, Subramaniam said. "Signs of buying interest are reassuring. However, it is early to say if the market has bottomed out."

Excerpts from CNBC-TV18’s exclusive interview with Vetri Subramaniam:

Q: What is your sense for the immediate future for the market now as we head into earnings?

A: It is a welcome relief for most market participants. The market traded in fairly narrow bands today. It has been a highly volatile market for the last one or two weeks. This kind of rangebound market is essential for people to start finding their bearings.

 

Even for those who are looking for some shares that offer value, it is easier to take those decisions when one sees stable market conditions, as opposed to markets, which are darting up or down 4-5% every day. So, it is a welcome relief and everybody should be a little pleased with the way the markets have behaved over the last few days, particularly because it has been so resilient in the face of what otherwise would have been negative news.

 

Q: Are you getting the sense that there is a base building formation happening right now or is it too early to call that?

 

A: Those calls are always a little tricky to say in terms of whether it is forming a base or not. But I am definitely encouraged in terms of the kind of behaviour we have seen over the last 4-5 trading days. It is giving some indication that there is some amount of buying interest starting to come in. It is definitely reassuring but it is very early to take a call whether the kind of sell off that we have seen over the last 7-8 weeks has reached some kind of a climax and the market is now set to head up a little bit again.

 

Q: How do you think we will come out of July? Crude is volatile and there are expectations that it will cool down. There are three weeks of earnings culminating in the monetary policy meeting. Where do you think we will stand at the end of this month?

 

A: There is reason to be optimistic because this month will go fairly well and given the backdrop of a completely miserable June. People are very negative about the earnings season this month. Everyone is concerned about what the RBI will do. We may perhaps have more bad news in store for us maybe a quarter or two down the road. A lot of near term concerns have already been discounted in the price.

 

So, this might go fairly well and one might see the market try to rally up through the remainder of this month. 

 

Q: Where is this buying and nibbling most concentrated? Is it the sectors that are fallen the most like the rate sensitives or somewhere else?

 

A: It is hard to discern a specific trend. Individual stocks are at least starting to exhibit a little bit of bounce but on a sectoral level. The trends are not clear as yet at this point in time.

 

People have seen some value emerge at this kind of differential behaviour. That is going to be the story going forward over the course of the next one or two years. We have been used to a very top-down model during this market for the last 2-4 years and that has been a great time to look at the market from a top-down perspective.

 

But the next year or two will perhaps be a time where you will have to look at things more from a bottom-up company perspective rather than look at the top-down macro, because the top-down macro unfortunately does not look nice at all.   

 

Q: What do you expect to see tomorrow? How are you approaching frontline IT now?

 

A: The results for Infosys and the rest of the companies should broadly be in-line with expectations. The easy part about the earnings expectations for IT companies is to change the forecast for the rupee-dollar rate, which jumped up from Rs 39.40 level to Rs 43.

 

The more important thing to watch out for in the IT companies’ results is whether they hold out an opinion, in terms of the prospects for a slightly better revenue growth through the remainder of the year. At this point in time, we are concerned about the fall in the rupee.

 

Volumes may start to tail off by the time we get to the end of the year because of the problems the US is facing. The key issue for IT companies is more what they guide, in terms of any revision in their revenue guidance to the upside, rather than the actual guidance upside on the EPS number itself.

 

Q: What is your overall call on the market from a slightly more medium-term perspective? Do you think we are in a prolonged kind of a bearish phase? In a quarter or two, will we begin to find our feet and become more constructive again?

 

A: At this point in time, it is very presumptuous on my part to put a timeline and say ‘this is when things will start to turnaround’. Going forward, the market is going to be more of a bottom-up market. The real issue, in terms of putting a timeline, is that at this point in time we still don’t know where this tightening cycle is going to end.

 

It is a little premature to take a call that in two-quarter’s time we would be back to business as usual like the good old days of 2006-07. The situation now is very similar to where we were during the 1996-98 period. We need to give it the benefit of time before we get a sense of the end of the tightening of interest rates. Only then can we take a call on when the market will start to offer a prospect for better returns.

 

Q: In terms of earnings, what do you expect to see for the rest of 2008 starting with this quarter? Do you think this quarter is okay? Would it keep slipping with every passing quarter or can’t you see that far?

A: If you break up the earnings numbers and look at it, the risk to the market is that the analysts’ consensus builds on a ‘back to business as usual’ in the second half of 2009. At a 20-24% earnings growth number for 2010, they expect all the problems the economy is facing to completely vanish by the time you get into FY10.

That is a slightly hasty presumption to make at this point. So, there definitely is a downside to these earning forecasts and there is scope for a lot of disappointment in the second half of 2009.         

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