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Lower inflation, rates to trigger mkts ahead: Reliance MF

Published on Sat, Jul 26 at 12:56 , Updated at Mon, Jul 28 at 18:19
Source : CNBC-TV18

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Madhu Kela, Head-Equity Investments, Reliance Mutual Fund, said the Nifty level of 3,800 is likely to hold. "There is a low probability of the Nifty slipping below 3,800. The Nifty needs to trade in the 4,000-5,000 range for a while. The markets are currently witnessing profit taking after strong rally."

According to Kela, we may see some placid period before the bull market resumes. "This downtrend may continue for some more time. So, we are unlikely to see a new high in a hurry. The volatility needs to end before larger players start investing."

He feels the government seems more committed to take the reform process ahead

Inflation, he said, is likely to significantly decline in coming months.  He feels the investment boom will resume if interest rates fall. "Lower inflation and interest rates will be the most significant trigger for the markets."

Kela does not see significant tightening over the next two months.

Excerpts from CNBC-TV18’s exclusive interview with Madhu Kela:

 

Q: Do we have an intermediate bottom in place at 3,800?

 

A: Yes, that is our view. We are definitely more comfortable about the markets right now as compared to where we were a month ago. Crude has cooled off significantly. The political situation certainly has improved and is friendlier to the stock markets right now. So, 3,800 must hold for this market unless we see another big debacle.

 

Q: You had earlier said you would park in a lot of your cash at 4,000 Nifty. We spent quite a few days below that level at around 3,800-3,900. Is all your cash gone?

 

A: We managed to invest a lot of money. We must have parted with 40-50% of our total cash in the markets between 3,800-4,000.

 

Basically, the cash that we have has to be viewed in the context that we are managing various types of funds with various different mandates. I don’t feel very comfortable being invested 100% in a natural resources fund given our own view of crude oil and commodities. So, obviously in that fund we will continue to have a reasonable amount of cash.

 

Similarly in the power sector fund, we have the flexibility to go from 0 to 100% in debt as well as equity. We have an extremely high beta portfolio in that fund and are significantly invested upto 75%. Having 20-25% cash in that fund doesn’t bother me too much.

 

But wherever we felt uncomfortable holding cash, which was more in our diversified funds, we have managed to invest there significantly.

 

Q: Is it a technical pullback or a bear market rally? Is it fizzling out or just profit taking after a spectacular rally?

 

A: I would tend to go with the latter. After a strong rally there is a bit of profit taking which will happen. Since we have seen such a significant correction in the market, which lasted for seven-eight months, this is going to give us a bit more pain in terms of time. So one should not expect that all is well, everything should be forgotten, we are back in the bull market and are going to see a new high in a hurry. If the markets have to have a meaningful rally in the long run, then they have to spend a lot of time here. We will see this kind of fizzling out and the market is going to test the conviction of a lot of people before making the big move.

 

Q: Would you expect the market to spend sometime then in a fairly sideways kind of range because right now the markets are very volatile, they fall 10-15% quickly then bounce back 10% quickly. Before the bull market eventually resumes, would you expect to see a more placid period which we haven’t seen yet?

 

A: That’s how I would read the situation. Volatility has to end. One would hope that in this period maybe the Nifty would trade between 4,000 and 5,000 for sometime till the volatility ends. That is when the more stable money will get more confident and one will see gradual investing by larger players to come in.

 

Q: What about politics? Was it just good for a 500-1,000 point pop-up or do you think the market could get some help from policy moves over the next six months? Are you banking on it?

 

A: I am quite hopeful that the situation should improve significantly. What one is reading in the press over the last one week is that the government seems more committed to take the reform process forward. All allies are also speaking the right language. So, I am much more upbeat about policies to come from the government over the next six months versus what has happened in the last two-three years.

 

Q: What would specifically excite you as a market participant? Would it be banking, insurance, or disinvestments? Aside of the sentiment factor, what do you think could make material change from a market perspective?

 

A: All major brokerage houses have now started saying that inflation should significantly decline in India and China over the next 12 months. Some reports state that Chinese inflation is likely to be as low as 4-5% going into first half of next year. If that happens, then that will be the most significant trigger for our markets going forward, because then interest rates will come down and all the investment lead boom, which we saw in the last two-three years, will more than likely resume. Today when one borrows money at 14-15%, a lot of investment is looking as lucrative as maybe one year ago, when one was borrowing money at 8-9%.

 

The capital market is neither helping because entrepreneurs are not able to raise the kind of equity they were able to raise in the market from the last 12-18 months. In nutshell, peaking of inflation and softening of interest rates are the key triggers for this market.

 

Q: RBI’s Monetary Policy meet is on Tuesday. Banks rallied in the early part of this week and lost a bit towards the end of the week, would you stay with banks around the policy?

 

A: I will stay with banks. I am quite hopeful that we are not going to see significant tightening at least over the next two months, given falling crude prices and given that our central bank had already acted in anticipation. We have been tightening since the last 18 months. We are not going to see any significant tightening over the next two months. I would stay with high growth companies and more towards private sector banks because they have seen significant corrections and are available at much more reasonable valuations as compared with their peak valuations.

 

Q: Metals have started cooling off a bit. So, would you stay away from metal stocks since you run a natural resources fund as well, are you on commodities?
 

A: We are. Last week, when we were looking at Rogers International Commodity Index, or RICI, of 36 commodities, 30 out of 36 commodities have broken all major moving averages. That is quite a significant event. So, I am quite hopeful that not only India but in other developing markets excluding Russian, for some reason there is inflationary expectation which is being put as their inflation is going to higher levels. Otherwise, you should see significant cooling off in inflation in these countries and hence brighter stock markets.

 

Q: What kind of range do you see Nifty in the next few months? How high would you rate the probability of going back below that range of 3,800 over the next few months?

 

A: There is a low probability of the Nifty going below 3,800 in a hurry. We have to now look at some sort of catastrophic event for the indices to go significantly lower than what we had seen. Many stocks have corrected 60-80%. I think large companies breaking those levels which were visible at 3,800.

 

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