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Mkts are undervalued; Nifty may test 5,413: HDFC Sec
2008-05-08 17:53:10 Source : Bazaar/CNBC-TV18
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Sanju Verma of HDFC Securities said markets seem undervalued to her. She believes the market can test 5413 levels and if the market sustains at the level it can also push to around 5636 levels in some time. She is confident that there definitely is room for an upside.

 

Excerpts from CNBC-TV18’s exclusive interview with Sanju Verma:

 

Q: We have a nice pullback from the recent lows - do you think the market is good for more or it needs to consolidate now?

 

A: I think it is important to take stock of some of the key derivative parameters because I think derivative indicators give a better cue on how the market will pan out, at least in the immediate-term. If you look at January - before the huge bloodbath and meltdown started, the put call ratio, the implied volatility of that was in the region of 23-27 odd.

 

Again the PCR (put-call ratio) was in the region of 1.41, now we are in the month of May and surprisingly the implied volatility of put and call is in the region of 23-28. Interestingly the put-call ratio is again in the region of 1.4, give or take a little bit. So, if the past precedent is anything to go by, given that the last 500-point rally on the Nifty has happened in a relatively short span of time, a correction on the lines of what happened in January cannot be ruled out. Equally, the other interesting thing is that while in the month of January the overall open interest was a staggering Rs 1,200 billion, this time around the open interest position is in the region of barely Rs 685 billion.

 

So to that extent, what distinguishes May from January is the fact that in terms of the outstanding positions, the market is still not overleveraged. If anything the market actually seems undervalued, my personal opinion is that a lot of put build up, a lot of put writing has happened in the region of 5,000 and 5,100 strikes. If this level is not broken decisively on the downside, then we can test 5,413 at which the market would have retraced 50% from its earlier downside correction. If 5,413 is sustained, then the next level would be 5,636. But as I said, the key level to watch out for is 5,000 - that is an important floor for the market. If that is not broken decisively, there is certainly room for more upside. But if that level is broken, then I think a lot of people will start hedging their positions by selling their Nifty contracts.

 

So I think we will need to wait for a while and look at 5,100 levels before taking a call on the market direction from one-two months perspective.

 

Q: How would you approach technology now as a sector, are you surprised with what has been happening in the currency market this month or so?

 

A: I do not think anything has changed substantially in the technology space barring of course the respite that we have got on the currency front. On a one-year basis the rupee is still appreciated by more than 10% but last quarter of course if at all anything the rupee depreciated by slightly over 2% or so.

 

Putting the currency factor aside just evaluating the technology space on pure fundamentals there are two worries be it an Infosys or a TCS the fact of the matter is that even today more than 80% of the business mix comes from the US and UK geographies. So I think the geographical mix is certainly not reassuring. Secondly, both for an Infosys and TCS which are bellwether stocks within the tech space more than 30% of the revenues come from the banking and financial services verticals. As all of us are aware that segment has been badly butchered to put it mildly.

 

So my personal sense is that yes, technology stocks are looking cheap. They are trading at more than a 20% or even a 30% discount to their peak multiples. The other comforting factor is that the rupee is not likely to appreciate anytime soon if the kind of flows that are coming in is anything to go by. Also the earnings growth is also going to be fairly decent. For all the key technology companies our houseview is that the earnings growth would be in excess of 20% or thereabouts.

 

However, I think the markets do not always react to just fundamentals and if that is a some kind of a cue that we need to take stock of then I would rather be in a Satyam where the banking and financial services vertical accounts for no more than 25% of the overall revenues of the company with respect to geographical mix-barely 25% of Satyam’s revenues come from that country.

 

So if you ask me to buy anyone company within the technology space, I would stick my neck out and go for a Satyam where incidentally we have-I am told-a pretty ambitious price target of Rs 622. On the other technology biggies at this point, we are still sellers of those.

 

Q: How would you play steel now in the light of all the news, which is swirling around?

 

A: I agree with the statement you have made that steel is hurting and I think it has to do with a couple of factors - one is input cost which has gone up anywhere between 50% to even 200%. The price of coking coal has gone up from USD 90 March last year to something like more than USD 300 as we speak and the fact that for a tonne of steel, you need 0.65 tonne of coking coal that is self explanatory that a rise in input cost can hurt steel majors significantly.

 

The other thing is that the employee cost seems to have gone up significantly - a classic case being JSW where the employee costs went up by more than 100% and ate into whatever the company made by way of margins at an operating level.

 

I think more importantly, the other interesting thing to notice that while there are companies which will continue to underperform because of government activism, because of rise in input costs because of the supply-demand dynamics - as things pan out, somebody like a Tata Steel is going to buck the trend.

 

If you look at a Tata Steel, JSW and a Sail; JSW and Sail are trading at anywhere between 8 times to even 9 times one year forward EPS whereas Tata Steel, thanks to the way the stock has been hammered in the last couple of weeks, is today available to you at less than 7 times one year forward EPS. So on the valuation front, it is core hands down. Also it is not going to be affected by government intervention because more than 70% of the revenues in a consolidated form post the Corus merger comes from international operations.

 

I think the other interesting thing is that product prices will continue to move up and our personal sense is that a 5% increase in product prices will positively benefit Tata Steel, other things remaining same to the tune of anywhere between 30%-35%. Given the huge operating leverage which Tata Steel enjoys despite the fact that integration levels are today less than 20%, post the Corus merger, I think given the positives particularly on the valuation front, Tata Steel is something which could certainly be bought for investors who are looking to buy it for the long haul.

 

Q: You thoughts on MTN bid for Bharti Airtel?

 

A: I know this sounds cliché, but given the fact that Bharti is in the mature phase of the product cycle - my personal sense is that this acquisition, if it goes through smoothly, will be EPS accretive from two-three years perspective. But having said that, despite the fact that we have a buy on the stock with a target of Rs 1,150, my personal sense is one needs to monitor the dynamics of the deal as and when it pans out carefully. How will they finance this deal? - I think that is the crux of the matter?

 

Vodafone had acquired a controlling stake in Hutch Essar for just about USD 12 billion and I am told that Bharti for a 51% stake in MTN could pay anywhere in excess of USD 20 billion. So if one compares it with the last big deal, the Vodafone-Hutch deal, then certainly the deal is going to come at a steep premium to them and more importantly what needs to be seen is whether they will finance the deal through an Special Purpose Vehicle (SPV), rights issue, preferential issue or they are likely to sell some of their stake in Bharti Infratel, their tower company which is valued today anywhere between USD 10-15 billion or even more.

 

So there are lot of ‘ifs’ and ‘buts’. But given the fact that for a market leader beyond a point, one cannot grow organically, one has to grow inorganically and given the fact that today Reliance Communications is in a market expansion mode whereas Bharti to some extent push to the wall, it's in a market retention mode. So if Bharti has to breakout of the market share retention mode, it needs to grow inorganically.

 

But between the two, if push comes to shove, I would still go ahead and buy Reliance Communications and follow that with Bharti. Incidentally, on Reliance Communications we have a price target of Rs 812.    

 

Q: The mood seems quite circumspect on capital goods. Earnings wise what did you like this time round?

 

A: I think you said it - ‘circumspect’ is the word. From an earnings perspective I don’t think BHEL, which is the most talked about stock more for the wrong reasons than for the right. I don’t think BHEL’s earnings were bad. If one were to objectively look at the stock on a standalone basis, the order book incrementally and otherwise is still growing in excess of 35%, the profits came in at more than 17% YoY - the stock is cheap compared to its historical peak valuations. But I think when one is looking to buy into a capital goods stock, one is not paying the premium because most of these stocks at the end of the day, though they have come off from their highs, they are still trading at a premium.

 

I think one pays a premium for their ability to execute their projects. So it's one thing to say that L&T has an order book of Rs 50,000-60,000 crore. But how much of that is going to get monetised in the quarters going forward and the BHEL results pointed out to a problem at a generic level. I think the results told three things; equipment supplies are not coming through from vendors and sub-vendors, construction workers are not available - that’s the feedback we have got speaking to a couple of capital goods companies within the space, balance of plant equipment is not available onsite.

 

So one might have an order book which is two-three times of sales. But at the end of the day, if one is not able to book revenues and if the projects keep getting delayed then I think, to that extent, the stocks will see a derating in PE multiples and that’s exactly what has happened with BHEL. People are not concerned about the earnings trajectory. But people are increasingly getting concerned about execution risk which till about a quarter back was just something that you and me spoke of in hypothetical terms. But now execution risk is increasingly becoming a material risk and to that extent until there is clarity on that front, these stocks will perhaps continue to under perform.  

 

Disclosures:

 

We might be marketing some of the discussed stocks to our institutional investors.

 

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