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11 Oct 2008 21:08

Relance may not fall below 1000....

Reliance

Posted by : bhusbhac
Price when posted : BSE: Rs 1527.00 ( -7.43 % ), NSE: Rs. 1527.60 ( -7.34 % )
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A viewpoint and the probable botomming out signal - if the market has not already bottomed out and the oversold nature of our markets is almost directly linked to FII sell off the 90 billion US$ of the 280 billion dollars left in the markets there is some risk that around 50% of this is in danger of being liquidated. Hence at the rate the FIIs have sold off this may take 2 weeks or maximum one month. Then there will be NO SELLERS below that bottomed out price and the threat of FII exitting will be out of our calculations and we can make our fesh start from there.

Also positive triggers can be expected from our Finance Ministry nearly on a daily or even hourly basis from next week.

So fasten your seat belts we are off to a very volatile and rough ride immediately ahead. However it would be good for our markets to see the FII investment gone for the time being as it must and as it will because of their crisis. This action might also directly help staobilise thier ship since the decisions to exit must also be weighing heavily against them.

Anyway I hope we Indians assess the situation and bravely face it for whatever is in store. Somewhere there have to be silver linings and opportunities in these dark clouds I would appreciate views of boarders in this respect.

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Relance may not fall below 1000....

Posted by : vkk43

Thanks for your views. U r right, nobody can predict as to when the bear market will end.
ICICI has already fallen a lot. Still weakness persists. L&T and Infy will remain weak going forward. L&T management has stated as per newspaper reports that they are facing problems in getting fresh orders. Infy guidance will make it weak also.
So far RIL is concerned, it has been relatively steady. Whether it will go to 999 or not, nothing can be said at this moment.
Of course sensex is not depicting correct picture of the market. Weakness is much more than what appears in the weakness of sensex.

11 Oct 2008 21:04

Query

Cybermate Info

Posted by : phk
Price when posted : BSE: Rs 1.60 ( -9.60 % )
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malayali,this is not the way to give advice,least to a person who has lost big amount//better keep mum then calling investors fool//
YOU seem to have very little knowledge of share market,please do not write just for the sake of writing//
FOR your kind information,
I had Bought as you say penny stocks-----
mount everest mineral water for 4 to8 rs(had offer to buy back at 144rs//
hindustan moters at rs 5// nirlon at 4 to8 rs// morgan stanly fund for 10 rs was available at 4 to6 //this are just few which i have and am telling you//
MY ADVICE TO MR,bvnrao,--REQUEST FOR ADVICE((((to sell or to keep for some more time))- - ,CHIEF KAMANI--DU STOCKS--K FACTOR--MARKETMAN--VKK43--DAY TRADER--From this Gentleman///they can help you//PHK//...

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Query

Posted by : MALAYALI

MALAYALI here. Mr. bvnrao... MALAYALIs advice *****LONG TERM PENNY STOCK INVESTORS ARE FOOLS*****. That`s all. MALAYALI : investors guide

11 Oct 2008 21:02

Oh God!

Teledata Info

Posted by : googol
Price when posted : BSE: Rs 7.01 ( -6.91 % ), NSE: Rs. 7.00 ( -6.67 % )
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1107

Dear pradesh,

The difference between GOD and MOD is

GOD never Shows or Talks but Acts

MOD never shows or acts but talks

Cheers,


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Oh God!

Posted by : pradesh

Googol

The correction will be quick if MMB mod IS (read postscript) entrusted with that job.. (just fun.. no offence please !!)..for that another mass prayer needed?

PS I have NOT forgotten to type word `NOT` after the word `IS`

11 Oct 2008 21:00

DONT DO ANYTHING

ICICI Bank

Posted by : novice1000
Price when posted : BSE: Rs 364.10 ( -19.71 % ), NSE: Rs. 363.65 ( -19.86 % )
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dear sunil,

1)If ICICI bank is doing fine, why did they increase minimum balance for savings account from Rs.5000/- to Rs.1000/-( pls remember that fine in failing to maintain that minimum balance is really high at Rs.700/- levels)?

Are you aware that fine was just Rs.50/- in the year 2001 and then was increased to some Rs.300/- plus levels in 2003 and later to Rs.700/- levels in the same year?

In 2001 ICICI bank was quite small compared to present levels.To my knowledge economies of scale helps any organization cut prices on their services and why has it been the other way round in the case of ICICI?, had every thing been fine!

2)Regarding DLF and others in realty space: Realty prices in India went up to such levels which seem to be on par or costlier than those countries which have 50 to 60 times per capita income compared to India...

To what extent do you think the prices can go up without resulting in any demand destruction?

Allready the present rentals are making many businesses particularly the smaller ones commercially unviable.Do you have any idea that any further upside movement in realty prices will result in businesses becoming commercially unviable making the entire economy collapse?

And higher rentals and higher unit prices, made many residential properties of organized realty sector unaffordable , are resulting in severe crisis for realty companies.

If that is the case.. how do you think investment in counters like DLF will fetch very good returns when there are many other sectors and counters which are yet to witness growth and far from reaching maturity stage in their business cycles?

3)Regarding IT sector in general and TCS in specific:

First let us look at the root causes of the problems in US.

Many barrowers failed to repay their loans.

But why they defaulted? It was b`coz they didnt have jobs.

But why didnt they have jobs?It was b`coz of outsourcing.

So to survive from the present crisis, US has to stop encouraging any further outsourcing and should take measures to reverse outsourcing( already plans are very much on cards).So to do that they will let Dollar fall to very lower levels.

When that happens..it will be a double whammy for Indian IT companies.

First one is .. there wont be endless amounts of linear growth which they witnessed in the past.

Second one is..shrinking of NPMs.

In such scenarios, i fail to understand how can one make any profits by investing in TCS or Infy!

regards...

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DONT DO ANYTHING

Posted by : sunilbenares

Do`s and Don`ts

The most important advice which can be given is `do’nt do anything`. Just dont watch any news and dont try to fish for the bottom. However, if you have ample cash in hand, then a percentage of your money should be in equity (definition is 100 - your age should be the percentage to put your money in equity). By this definition, if you are under invested and if you are ready to invest for a time horizon of 10 years, then this is the right time to invest. Invest your money in blue chip stocks like ICICI Bank, India Bulls Financial, TCS, Reliance Industries, Mundra Port, DLF, Suzlon Energy. Please DO NOT track your investments on daily basis. Treat them as your fixed deposit and forget for at least few months. You will be winner in your old age. The stocks recommended as above may not touch their current levels in future.

Actual crisis is in financial world in USA and Europe. Sub prime mortgage loans have become delinquent as underlying asset/home is presently having less value that the loan amount (exposure). Further many investment banks / other banks have securitised these debt obligations and sold it in so many forms (CDO / CLN / CDS) and had purchased these securities too. Due to extreme complexity of the financial products it was impossible to trace the actual underlying asset (homes). These exposures of banks have multiplied many folds on a single underlying asset. As such even when there is very low slide in value/sentiments of underlying, these investment banks had to collapse. It will take time to explain this entire transaction/problem in USA / Europe.

However, India has no such exposure.

Then, is there any logic in not buying Reliance at current level?. Why are we selling ICICI Bank, Suzlon in India presently?. This is a mad cry. Remain invested and dont track your stocks regularly. Indian story is bullish, real investments (from FDI & from within) in pipeline are huge, infrastructure sector will remain good story and our banking sector has no multiplied exaggerated exposure on any assets, all investments in the pipelines are to be financed by big banks like ICICI Bank / SBI in India. Actually these products like CLN/CDS/CDO are not prevalent in Indian Banks / FIs. .

Therefore, just dont panic and dont do anything. These are paper gains and paper losses. We were neither rich nor have become poorer. We will remain rich 10 years down the line, that is for sure. Just believe in your self.

REMAIN FULLY INVESTED, BUY BLUE CHIPS IF YOU HAVE CASH (DON’T TAKE LOANS FOR INVESTMENT), DON’T SELL ANYTHING COME WHAT MAY, DONT TRACK YOUR INVESTMENT, DONT FOLLOW NEWS, DONT DO ANYTHING.

Just ENJOY. You will WIN. Happy Dussehra.

Regards,
Sunil Singh

11 Oct 2008 20:55

Cues from FnO: Short term bounce?

Reliance Petro

Posted by : googol
Price when posted : BSE: Rs 115.95 ( -5.15 % ), NSE: Rs. 116.25 ( -5.02 % )
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1106

Dear knair ji,

How are you?(Since you mentioned about booking some profit earlier,I dare to ask this question!Otherwise this question is prohibited now a days)

Let me repeat my quotes:

No BP* leads to high BP

BP** may not be good for your BP

All LTI s: be ready to face HTI s

*BP=Booking Profit
**BP=Buffet Policy
LTI=Long Term Investors
HTI=High Tension,Irritations

Regards,



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Cues from FnO: Short term bounce?

Posted by : knair

googol,

You are right, Sir.

And one more thing - troubled times are the best for looking into
Gita, Ramayana, Sastras, Vedas - where we get time to do so when the mkt is fully bullish.

During the last 4 years I must have booked 3 to 4 L profits (I really did not check the figures to say it accurately) and I was happy. Not only happy but was thinking - what a fantastic achievement

Now if I look back I may be in red for more than what I earned. The red getting deeper also. It gives me no bad thinking. I just laugh at it and say to myself - what a fantastic achievement!

The coin does not exist only with one side.

knair

11 Oct 2008 20:52

Waterbase

Posted by : NODIK
Price when posted : BSE: Rs 4.31 ( -8.30 % )
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radhika nandlal
Good you took a right decision, not worth taking a second look....

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Posted by : radhika_nandlal

NODIK,

Its into prawn culture?

Oops no not for me.. i am pure vegetarian by diet and by shopping too.

11 Oct 2008 20:42

Waterbase

Posted by : radhika_nandlal
Price when posted : BSE: Rs 4.31 ( -8.30 % )
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NODIK,

Its into prawn culture?

Oops no not for me.. i am pure vegetarian by diet and by shopping too....

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Posted by : NODIK

Waterbase had come with the IPO A DECADE EARLIER WITH LOT OF FAN FARE
with a small premium If I REMEMBER CORRECTLY & also fom a wellknown grup, in field of prawn culture or fisheries . The premiums were non existing or rather negligble then. But it just went into oblivion, & now again I see it on the board. So what`s cooking in this penny stock, is it worth nibbling a few grands.

11 Oct 2008 20:40

ICICIBANK - on the verge of closure

ICICI Bank

Posted by : aahoo
Price when posted : BSE: Rs 364.10 ( -19.71 % ), NSE: Rs. 363.65 ( -19.86 % )
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It is apparent someone or many are selling ICICI. WHY? In stock market in the long run the rumours become true. Earlier there was a rumour that promotors are selling ICICI shares. Some of my friends even bought ICICI shares. It looklike that FM, SEBI, RBI are helping the punters and promotors to sell and asking the retail investors to buy. SEBI should provide data regarding ICICI share holding pattern on daily basis. That only will remove the fear among investors. People are only talking about liquidity position not about the bank balence position. Something is fishy. I want the rumours to be false as my banker is ICICI. I was comitted to this bank either it fail or succeed.

aahoo...

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ICICIBANK - on the verge of closure

Posted by : IncredibInvest

I thinks you have a short position in ICICI that is why you are posting messages like this.

I suggest you as you well wisher that you close you postion and take your profit otherwise it won`t take much time to repent in leisure time.

All the best my dear friend.

Cheers

11 Oct 2008 20:38

Tata Power to hike stake in Indonesian Bumi; stk down

Tata Power

Posted by : MMB Messenger
Price when posted : BSE: Rs 774.70 ( -3.72 % ), NSE: Rs. 769.35 ( -4.84 % )
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At 11:22 am, Tata Power Company was quoting at Rs 762, down Rs 42.6, or 5.29%. It has touched an intraday high of Rs 790 and an intraday low of Rs 699. The company is looking to increase stake in Indonesia’s Bumi Resources. It already owns 30% in two unlisted coal subsidiaries of Bumi, reports The Economic Times. ...

11 Oct 2008 20:36

Waterbase

Posted by : NODIK
Price when posted : BSE: Rs 4.31 ( -8.30 % )
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Waterbase had come with the IPO A DECADE EARLIER WITH LOT OF FAN FARE
with a small premium If I REMEMBER CORRECTLY & also fom a wellknown grup, in field of prawn culture or fisheries . The premiums were non existing or rather negligble then. But it just went into oblivion, & now again I see it on the board. So what`s cooking in this penny stock, is it worth nibbling a few grands. ...

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Posted by : radhika_nandlal

What does this company do.. seems like an intersting penny stock..

Waterbase? Kapha?

11 Oct 2008 20:36

Decoupling days are coming ahead.........

IFCI

Posted by : knair
Price when posted : BSE: Rs 25.00 ( -18.57 % ), NSE: Rs. 25.15 ( -18.21 % )
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treassureddhan,

Well, so thats it.

You can have your view. No arguments.

As far as I am concerned, the matter is different. My children work there. Lakhs of other Indian people work there. Lot of money is coming from US to India. The IT companies are depending lot to US. Even if they are not sending lakhs of people to US for working, they get work here in India and millions of people live on that. We export worth billions to US and that money is coming to India. It is not only US. We have lakhs of people working in other countries, which have got a direct or indrect link with US. So their income is also linked with at least a few drops of US blood.

In todays world, it is difficult to segregate people. We got US girls married to Indians and Indians marry to US girls. How many Indian students study there. How many people get a living through some or the other channels of US involvement. I cannot pray for the destruction of US or any other country for that matter.

When we come back to India, we are also feeding lakhs of pakistanis and bengladeshis due to political leverage. But they are creating terror centres. Naxalites and Maoists - both communist outfits - are regularly destroying public property and killing people. They are more dangerous people than the outside terrorists. We are not capable of tracking them due to weakness in intelligence and political side-swingings. But we get some clues from Israle. Since they support US, shall we declare them unwanted? The world is so small now. We are linked with other countries also. There is no decoupling to mention about. Some or the other way, we all are interlinked whether it is Americans, West Indies, Canadians, Chinese, Maldivies, Sri Lankans or any other country for that matter.

If any thing bad happens to US, it affects to our people, at least those who live there and those who directly related to them here in India.

When WTO was downed, some tv channels show certain Arabs enjoyed it.
Some of my relatives, who were committed communists also done the same thing. But when a few of them knew that their kins also went with WTO, they could not hold. A scene a day before and a scene a day after!

I have nothing to add.

knair



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Decoupling days are coming ahead.........

Posted by : treasureddhan

US has acted and not they are facing the reaction. Other countries never Acted and hence there is no reaction for others. The sins American has committed so far , they have to face the tune and answer to GOD.

11 Oct 2008 20:35

Decoupling days are coming ahead.........

IFCI

Posted by : harishkrsharma
Price when posted : BSE: Rs 25.00 ( -18.57 % ), NSE: Rs. 25.15 ( -18.21 % )
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G7 leaders have announced the 5 points programme to hold the crisis. Monday morning we would be able to see the reaction of this action.


harish sharma...

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Decoupling days are coming ahead.........

Posted by : treasureddhan

Is this beginning of the end for US

1 earthquake shakes Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico
The Associated PressPublished: October 11, 2008


ST. JOHN, U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS: A strong earthquake jolted people awake Saturday in the U.S. and British Virgin Islands and nearby Puerto Rico.

There were no immediate reports of damage or injuries following the earthquake that struck just after 6:40 a.m. local time (1040 GMT).

The U.S. Geological Survey recorded a preliminary magnitude of 6.1 at a depth of 29 kilometers (18 miles). It said the quake struck about 70 kilometers (43 miles) northwest of Anegada in the British Virgin Islands.

Disaster officials in the British Virgin Islands said there were no reports of significant damage or injuries from the quake, said government spokeswoman Sandra Ward.

"At first I thought it was a big truck rolling by but then I realized the windows were closed," Ward said. "It wasn`t a good experience, just listening to things crumble

11 Oct 2008 20:35

realityyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy about reality

HDIL

Posted by : googol
Price when posted : BSE: Rs 93.25 ( -17.99 % ), NSE: Rs. 92.20 ( -18.87 % )
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1105

Friend,

First and foremost:Do not lose heart.All of us are in the same boat

Secondly,you are somewhat lucky.Got struck with a good stock.

Thirdly,forget that number 728,for some years

Fourthly, start buying in small lots now keeping the investment amount constant and invest same amount for every Rs10 fall.(I can`t say how much w/o knowing your financial status.But let it be matchable to your initial purchase)

Fifthly,the above lots have to be considered as separate entities and should NEVER be averaged.If you are buying four lots,sell the first lot (qty) when the price goes above the third lot price.

Sixthly and foremost stop listening to the analysts,experts et al.
They do not know anything.There are a few boarders here who can guide you far better.

Good Luck!...

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realityyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy about reality

Posted by : suyogparakh

hey guys!
i am not able to understand that 6-9 months back each broking house, each analyst recommending buy on HDIL with targets of 2500-3200 bucks but today they recommending selling the stock by saying that the stock is overvalued.
they are making fool out of us.
i have 1200 shares on the average price of 728/-.
my broker, friends, technical analyst, fundamental analyst all bastards recommending it & saying that u have buy next to gold, dont worry...

so plz help me that i am loosing quite a good amt.

11 Oct 2008 20:31

Stocks to watch: Bombay Dyeing, Indian Hotels

ICICI Bank

Posted by : avrochan
Price when posted : BSE: Rs 364.10 ( -19.71 % ), NSE: Rs. 363.65 ( -19.86 % )
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What is the time to enter property again. Fearful of US subprime which is washing out all property/realty/infra values. Some one say Sobha can hit 40 rs. though it makes no sense, the way its is falling from 1100 to 100 - cant believe. Hope it wont touch 40....

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Stocks to watch: Bombay Dyeing, Indian Hotels

Posted by : MMB Messenger

It's been the worst weekly performance for the markets. Over the last five sessions, the Nifty has lost over 14%, while the Sensex has lost 16%. E Mathew, Director of Mathew Easow Fiscal Services is negative on ICICI Bank, Reliance Communication and Gujarat NRE Coke. Rajen Shah, CIO, Angel Broking is positive on Bombay Dyeing and Indian Hotels.

11 Oct 2008 20:31

Stocks to watch: Bombay Dyeing, Indian Hotels

ICICI Bank

Posted by : MMB Messenger
Price when posted : BSE: Rs 364.10 ( -19.71 % ), NSE: Rs. 363.65 ( -19.86 % )
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It's been the worst weekly performance for the markets. Over the last five sessions, the Nifty has lost over 14%, while the Sensex has lost 16%. E Mathew, Director of Mathew Easow Fiscal Services is negative on ICICI Bank, Reliance Communication and Gujarat NRE Coke. Rajen Shah, CIO, Angel Broking is positive on Bombay Dyeing and Indian Hotels....

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