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As many as 400 Indian and foreign firms are seen as the beneficiaries of the far-reaching verdict in Vienna on Saturday where the 45-member Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) decided to resume civilian nuclear commerce with India.
India\'s apex industry bodies, which have hailed the decision, also feel that the country can now attract over $40 billion in foreign investment over the next 10-15 years as the result of private sector entry into India\'s nuclear power generation.
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Ruling Pakistan People's Party chief Asif Ali Zardari was on Saturday elected Pakistan's new President, securing a landslide victory in the elections.
As PPP lawmakers and workers shouted slogans like "Jeay Bhutto" (long live Bhutto) and "Zinda hai Bibi, zinda hai" (Benazir Bhutto is alive), Chief Election Commissioner Qazi Muhammad Farooq announced that Zardari had secured 281 of the 436 votes cast by the two houses of parliament.
According to the unofficial result declared by Farooq, Zardari's rivals lagged far behind - PML-N candidate Saeed-uz-Zaman Siddique bagged 111 votes while opposition PML-Q leader Mushahid Hussain Sayed secured 34.
Ten votes were declared invalid. The electoral college for the presidential poll comprises the Senate and National Assembly, the two houses of parliament, and the four provincial assemblies. Zardari also swept polling in the assemblies of North West Frontier Province, Sindh and Balochistan.
The 53-year-old widower of slain former premier Benazir Bhutto secured 107 votes in the 124-member NWFP assembly. Siddiqui bagged 10 votes while Sayed got only three votes. Four votes were rejected.
In the 65-member Balochistan assembly, Zardari secured 59 votes while Siddiqui and Sayed bagged two each. In the 168-strong Sindh assembly, Zardari secured 162 votes.
Counting was still underway in the Punjab assembly, where Sharif's party commands a majority.
Each vote in the two houses of parliament has a value of one, while the weightage of votes in the provincial assemblies is calculated with a complicated formula. For example, the 107 votes polled by Zardari in the NWFP assembly will have a weightage of 56 votes.
Zardari's daughters Bakhtawar and Asifa were among those who watched the counting of votes in parliament. When the result was declared, they shouted slogans along with PPP workers while Bakhtawar waved a portrait of Benazir Bhutto.
PPP workers broke into jubilation in streets of cities like Lahore, Islamabad and Karachi.
The presidential election was necessitated by the resignation last month of former President Pervez Musharraf, who stepped down to avoid impeachment by the PPP-led coalition.
A week after his resignation, the PML-N pulled out of the alliance after accusing Zardari of reneging on promises to restore judges deposed during last year's emergency and to field a non-partisan candidate for the presidential polls.
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The Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) on Saturday granted India a crucial waiver that will enable it to carry out nuclear commerce, ending 34 years of isolation enforced in the wake of the 1974 Pokharan nuclear tests.
The unprecedented decision of the 45-nation nuclear cartel giving exemption to a country which has not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT) is a landmark step in the implementation of the Indo-US nuclear deal that will now go to the US Congress for approval.
\"After protracted negotiations, the NSG today adopted an exemption for nuclear exports to India,\" the Austrian Foreign Ministry said in a statement.
\"There is a sense of relief. I am particularly happy that the waiver (for India) meets with international nuclear non-proliferation architecture,\" Peter Launsky, Austrian foreign ministry spokesman said after an unscheduled meeting of the NSG here.
Austria, along with Ireland, New Zealand and Switzerland had expressed strong reservations over the waiver being given to India that forced the grouping to have an unscheduled meeting on Saturday after two days of deliberations failed to produce a consensus.
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Can people be so naive in any country?
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N DEAL
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raj_tibs
Clean?!!! The possibility of a Chernobyl or a disaster of a far bigger magnitude than the Bhopal Gas Tragedy is what it opens the doors to. Nuclear waste that would be produced cannot be disposed off at all.
It will also provide more targets for missile based attacks before it provides any "energy".
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dear latikav -please also see my post - reproduced here.
VINAYAKA CHATHURTHI FESTIVAL - September 3, 2008
TODAY IS VINAYAKA CHATHURTHI - MAY THE SUPREME ENTITY WHO MANIFESTS AS GANESHA FOR OUR SAKE BLESS ALL BOARDERS, THEIR FAMILIIES, FRIENDS, ENVIRONMENT - SARVE JANAAH ALL ASESHA LEAVING OUT NONE WITH GOOD HEALTH, PROSPERITY, FREE FROM VIGNA ON LEGITIMATE PURSUITS. AND ULTIMATE FULFILMENT OF LIFE.
Vinayaka Chathurthi is a great festivalin southern and western India and only tolesser extent in eastern India and northern India. Only after invoking Ganesh Ji, all auspicious functions start in Bharat.
In North & East India, Ganesh ji is traditionally with devis, His sakthi known as Buddhi (intellect) and Sidhi (achievement). Bengals greatest festival Durga Puja starts with Ganeshs devi fetching sacred water from Ganga with accompaniment of drums and music. In the South, in most temples and pictures, Maha Ganapathi is shown alone. In some places he appears as Sakti Ganapathi vallabhaya saha - with Vallabha.
The elephant head is figurative clever poetic descrip of the qualities of the supreme omnipotent God. The eyes, ears, trunk the eyes small but powerful can see even the minutest thing in the universe, ears always active and hearing the most feeble prayers of devotees,sharp intellect which can give instantaneous directions, broad forehead showing wisdom, superb memory, trunk denoting immense strength for heavy duty, ever active, flexible to reach distant objects as well as very minute near objects. God, Controller of the Universe is ever active 24 x 7, alert, ready always to meet devotees prayers.
He is the SUPREME itself appearing in that most easily approachable God-form. rich or poor, or poorest of the poor seek Him No wonder Students line up before him to seek blessings before going to the examination hall. He is easily pleased with a devotionl offer of even one blade of durva grass, - easily available everywhere even in the footpath in those days. Cocoanut and modaka are the offerings. He is shown with modaka in his hand. Modaka from mudha all that which pleases you. everything, ultimately bliss. The sweet filling inside the modaka is known as - poorna - meaning full, the whole. like 100% guaranteed success. Sometimes he is shown as having in his palm the fruit Bijapura (pomegranate). He rewards devotee with fruit of actions. The name of the fruit itself gives out the secret. Can one count the number of dhana (seeds) in one fruit - imagine if each seed denotes one universe, how many universes aneka koti brahmandanam many crores of Universes all in his safe custody. He presides over them - visvotpathi, vipathi, samsthithakara their creation, final withdrawal and sustenance in the meantime.
NO WONDER GANAPATHI IS THE MOST POPULAR GOD FORM WORSHIPPED.
In Maharashtra Ganesh Chathurthi is something like a national festival full 10 days It was always observed as a festival, from time immemorial but it was Lokmanya Bala Gangadhar Tilak who gave the nation the present form people assemble in a common platform for worship forgetting all enmity and developing friendship.
In Karnataka it is noted as GOWRI GANESHA FESTIVAL. Goddess Gouri is worshipped on previous day, following which Ganesha worshipped on Chathurthi.It is like a family reunion, looked forward with great enthusiasm in all families.
In T.N Ganesh chathurthi is observed throughout. In city like Chennai, every street has its own Ganesh temple, and one could spot small Ganesh temples in front of big buildings, wherever roads cross, or wherever there is T formation when a street (road) takes off from another road. The festival is celebrated in all temples and houses.
Andhra follows Maharashtra pattern. With immersion of the idol after the 10 days Puja.
Request other boarder friends to help complete the ALL INDIA picture.
Regards ARG
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The image of Ganesha and its meaning _/\_
Posted by : latikav
An elephant's trunk has the strength to uproot a tree as well as the finesse to pick up a needle. Ganesha's trunk symbolises the fact that the wise person has both immense strength and fine discrimination. _/\_
Ganesha has large ears. The wise person hears all. He has four hands. In one hand he holds a lotus, the symbol of enlightenment . In the other hand he holds a hatchet. That is, the old karma all your sanskars, the accumulated good and bad of past deeds get cut when enlightenment comes. _/\_
The third hand holds laddus, the round sweet-meats . They are the rewards of a wise life. Ganesha is never shown eating the laddus. The wise man never partakes of the rewards of his deeds. He is not attached to them. The fourth hand is shown blessing the people. The wise man wishes the best for everyone.
Ganesha has only one tusk; the other is shown broken. There is an interesting story as to how Ganesh happened to get an elephant's head and how one tusk got broken. The symbolism of the broken tusk is that the wise person is beyond duality. _/\_
We tend to think that we end when our bodies end in the material world. We are the first person. All else is different. This duality is created by the mind which creates the ego to help us survive in this world. This 'me-other ' duality is the screen keeping us from realising our real Self, which is beyond body and mind. _/\_
Once we transcend this duality, we see the entire Universe as a single whole and we become aware of our true Selves. The single tusk of Ganesha symbolises this non-duality . Wisdom allows us to see all as one and ourselves an integral part of the whole. _/\_
Ganesha is shown sitting with one foot on the ground and the other resting on his knee, above the ground. The wise person is of this earth, yet not entirely of this earth. _/\_
Ganesha is shown seated on a rat. The reason for saying that Ganesha 'rides' on the rat is that the rat is among the greediest of all animals. It will keep nibbling at whatever is available, eating everything it can.
Scientifically, too, the rat's teeth keep growing and it has to keep chewing on something to keep these within limits. The rat is a symbol of our senses, which are never satisfied. They crave new experiences, new tastes. Left uncontrolled , they keep growing forever. The wise person rides on his senses. He keeps them under control. _/\_
Ganesha is often shown seated in front of a tray of sweets. In these images the rat is shown sitting in front of Ganesha, perhaps a bit to one side, looking up at him. The senses of the wise person are under his control and the rat dare not eat the sweets without the permission of Ganesha.
Ganesha is the son of Shiva and Parvati, the God governing the life-force and the earthmother . This symbolises the spirit and body of the wise person. Finally, the wise person has the dignity of an elephant.
When we say "Aum Ganeshaya Namah" before starting anything what we are saying is that "In what we are about to do, let wisdom be our guide" . In a sense, Ganesha is our most powerful god, and he is usually remembered before starting any rituals for other deities.
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The Nuclear Supplier Group has granted India a waiver, giving India an entry to the Nuclear Club. 34 years old Nuclear apartheid is over. What our PM is wrong??. Anyhow it is a historic deal.......
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to all those ppl opposing the NDEAL.
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china loudly says that there is no rush to go for the approval.
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N-Deal: India Inc sees $40 bn foreign investment
----------------------NEW DELHI: As many as 400 Indian and foreign firms are seen as the beneficiaries of the far-reaching verdict in Vienna on Saturday where the 45-member Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) decided to resume civilian nuclear commerce with India.
India's apex industry bodies, which have hailed the decision, also feel that the country can now attract over $40 billion in foreign investment over the next 10-15 years as the result of private sector entry into India's nuclear power generation.
"The go-ahead to the nuclear deal will signal the building of scores of nuclear plants in India on assured fuel supply," said Amit Mitra, the secretary general of the Federation of Indian Chambers of Commerce and Industry (Ficci).
"This will trigger the participation of 200 firms with capabilities to operate, and maintain nuclear plants, but put on the Entities List by the US in 2005 for perceived possession of technologies for nuclear plants or dual-use technology."
That list has since been pruned to about four, giving the 200-odd companies full play in nuclear power production.
"We expect another 200 medium and small firms to get into the act as ancillary producers to the big companies, thereby giving a new direction to efficient and cheaper power production in the country," Mitra added.
The NSG's decision to grant India a clean waiver from its existing rules, which forbid nuclear commerce with any country, which has not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), came at its meeting in Vienna on Saturday afternoon.
The historic moment, which will end more than three decades of nuclear isolation for India, came after three days of intense diplomacy by the US and India in the nuclear cartel that controls the global flow of nuclear fuel and technologies.
"Today's development is a major confidence-building move for the international community to engage with India especially in high technology trade," said Chandrajit Banerjee, director general of the Confederation of Indian Industry (CII).
"It will provide opportunity for Indian manufacturers to supply spares and components to the global manufacturers of nuclear power plants besides providing business opportunities for Indian power plant construction companies."
The Associated Chambers of Commerce and Industry (Assocham) that had conducted a survey among 300 chief executives recently also says that 400 firms, domestic and international, may get a chance to build nuclear power plants.
An overwhelming 85 percent of the 300 chief executives polled held the view that modifications to India's Atomic Energy Act of 1962 could help the country to generate some 20,000 MWe (unit of nuclear power) by 2020.
The modification, which the chamber suggested should be immediate by way of a presidential notification, is necessary to facilitate the entry of the private sector in nuclear power generation. The act and the decades of India's nuclear isolation had resulted in capping the country's nuclear power generation capacities to an extent of just 3,900 MWe in over 60 years of independence.
As a result, out of a total installed generation capacity of about 145,000 MW of electricity, 70 is accounted for through thermal fuel and 20 percent by hydro, with nuclear energy contributing to just two percent. The remaining capacities come by tapping the various sources of non-conventional energy such as solar, wind, biomass and tidal waves.
Following the NSG waiver, the India-US nuclear deal will head for the US Congress, which meets Sep 8 to discuss and approve the 123 India-US bilateral pact to seal the negotiations that were started more than three years ago.
The two countries are expected to formally sign the bilateral agreement when Prime Minister Manmohan Singh goes to Washington towards the end of September, eventually restoring nuclear trade with the US after a gap of 34 years. The US and the rest of the world imposed economic sanctions when India first conducted its nuclear test in 1974.
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Hi Atheist,
Congratulations on becoming a Silver boarder ( It allows us to see your posts immediately, without having to wait for MODs approval. And you also have number of boarders interacting with you actively - that\\`s great - and then there is the ever patient peri who answers all your posts - I\\`d have given up much earlier. I\\`m a quitter :)
Have fun. :)
Regards
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Atheist
Dear Periwinkle,
There can be no consensus when it comes to deciding on what a certain set of parents will do if one of their son kills his brother. My understanding is that if the parents are good at heart and rational, they will certainly not come in the way of punishment that the law of the land merits for him. Reason being that he might be capable of taking one or more human lives, and if the parents were to protect him and if he does end up taking one or more human lives, then the parents will be equally guilty for having WRONGLY protected him when he committed the first murder.
And sir, only one ,same old question to question your next point.
God being omniscient, am sure would have seen what a Mugabe would do on this earth. Why create such a monster at all, if he knows in advance that he(Mugabe) is going to mercilessly slay his(god s) own children?
Please answer this above question sir. Please dont avoid it.
And Sir, the point that you next make of daring to think with our hearts, Thats exactly what i think!! Break open your mind and heart, discard all that you have been spoon fed about religion and God, AND THINK ON YOUR OWN! I did exactly that and here i am, with what i realized!
...Singh...
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so, finally chinese instead of saying no said yes. so cheers now...
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current News is chinese if pressurised would veto
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In a historic decision the 45-nation Nuclear Suppliers Group today awarded a clean waiver to India to deal in nuclear commerce. The decision, which ends India's three-decade nuclear isolation, came on the third day of marathon deliberations by the NSG countries following hard bargaining with the four major opponents China, Austria, New Zealand and Ireland.
Some media reports said U.S. President George Bush had spoken to Chinese President Hu Jintao to mobilise support for the consensus. Also, a statement by Minister for External Affairs Pranab Mukherjee saying India was committed to the strengthening the non-proliferation regime and will work with the international community to advance the "common objective" of non-proliferation, is said have borne fruits.
Media reports said than among the four opponents, the first country to be convinced by India's argument was Austria after which others followed suit. Soon after the consensus was worked out, President Bush called up Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to congratulate him. The International Atomic Energy Agency had earlier given a clearance to the deal. The 123-bilateral agreement between India and the U.S. is now expected to
be taken up by the U.S. Congress on Sep 8 for a final ratification of the nuclear deal.
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Now Bofors scam , Harshad Mehta , OIL for food, Pawan Hans , Food for scam is over and is an history. Door are open to import dust in the name of Uranium. Kalavati will have to eat dust...
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Posted by : raj_tibs
Clean?!!! The possibility of a Chernobyl or a disaster of a far bigger magnitude than the Bhopal Gas Tragedy is what it opens the doors to. Nuclear waste that would be produced cannot be disposed off at all.
It will also provide more targets for missile based attacks before it provides any "energy".
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Good for Kalavathi or is she going to get kakavali?...
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Posted by : chchch
Sorry to interrupt u. Tell the boarders as to why other countries, especially in NSG (including USA), did not / could not go in for such 85% nuclear power? Also, the pitfalls / difficulties / finances required for such sclae of nuclear power. Further, will the \\`millions of poor\\` get cost-effective power supply (compared to other sources of power) atleast if not free/subsidised power?
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Clean?!!! The possibility of a Chernobyl or a disaster of a far bigger magnitude than the Bhopal Gas Tragedy is what it opens the doors to. Nuclear waste that would be produced cannot be disposed off at all.
It will also provide more targets for missile based attacks before it provides any "energy".
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Posted by : calculus
It is the only clean energy alternative in the medium term (50 years)
The much hyped sloar/wind alternatives are at best supplements to the major source of energy, which at the moment is fossil based & hugely polluting. The earths atmosphere cannot sustain this level of pollution for long without catastrophic consequences, which will be felt in the next few decades.
Nuclear energy is a stop gap till we find a clean & sustainable alternative.
Hopes have been pinned on several sources, the most promising being 'nuclear fusion' (the opposite of nuclear fission on which todays nuclaer energy is based). Nuclear fusion is the the way the sun & stars produce their energy.
Experimental reactors (small) have & are being tested in the western world. In 1997 for the fist time scientists were able to get more energy out of a fusion reactor than was required to run it.
This is a very small step to the global energy freedom.
It will be decades before a commercial workable reactor can be erected. Several decades more before it becomes the norm .
India cannot participate in this research because of the embargo on India for 'dual use' technology.
So although the nuclear deal will solve India energy problem, but it will be through participation in new technologies being, which is only possible if we are cleared by NSG to get access to newest technologies in the energy feild.
The govt cannot explain such a complicated matter to the population at large, hence the ruse of populists slogans.
The N deal is cruicial fir India in more ways than one.
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yo yo ! india tussi gr8 HO !
see da markets go boom BOOOM njoy :D
LT,,BHEL,AREVA,APIL,REL POWERTATA POWER, SIEMENS,ABB,NTPC,ROLTA....NUKE DEAL BENEFICIERIES.....
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NSG meet approves nuclear waiver for India
Posted by : MMB Messenger
The 45-nation Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) has approved a US plan to engage in nuclear trade with India. Following the green signal by the NSG that will cement the Indo-US Civil Nuclear Deal, India has finally come out of the 34-year old nuclear apartheid.
The approval came after almost three days of meeting in Vienna on Saturday.
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i cannot tell u about that but it would really mean a LOT TO INDIA.. i am pretty convinced.... everything is expensive, hydel power, solar energy etc etc.. but nuclear one ANU (=atom) means power to destroy a country... going forward nuclear energy could be as routine as dhal in our daily life.
France is not a rich country, it has used nuclear power optimally with 85% of its energy requirements met by nuclear plants.
So hurrah.. i am no power expert, but i instinctively feel its GOOD FOR INDIA......
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N DEAL
Posted by : chchch
Sorry to interrupt u. Tell the boarders as to why other countries, especially in NSG (including USA), did not / could not go in for such 85% nuclear power? Also, the pitfalls / difficulties / finances required for such sclae of nuclear power. Further, will the \\`millions of poor\\` get cost-effective power supply (compared to other sources of power) atleast if not free/subsidised power?
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