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07 Oct 2008 22:04

wbuffett001 said
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Personally I have been investing continously since Oct / Nov 2007 and continue to buy even now
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you been buying what stocks and keeping at 202X year view? you cann`t be serious? ...

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WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000

Posted by : wbuffett001

Dear HLN,
This is my first post to you ever.
I have read many of your posts so far.What you have predicted so many months back has come exactly true today. You definitely deserve utmost praise for this prediction.Please accept my heartfelt congratulations. I can say you know your TA and EWT theory quite well.I suggest you to predict only indices levels in future with very very broad time indications ( + or - three to six months )and not commit on the exact time frame which is most difficult to predict as everyone knows.However even this cannot deflect anything away from the credit you richly deserve. I always feel we have to give credit where it is due and between you & Kalidas , MMB has been served well in the last one year.
Coming to the future , please keep up the good work and give us your broad view on when you expect the U turn in the markets.
Personally I have been investing continously since Oct / Nov 2007 and continue to buy even now. By nature and reasoning , I am a very LT investor who normally holds shares for 3 + years at the minimum.
To be frank I have managed to get a tremendous CAGR in the last ten years ( way way out of normal expectations) by asset swapping across asset classes and sectoral rotations inside the stock markets , long term front running in FII investible sectors.Even as a LT investor , I feel that picking shares at lower index levels can be definitely helpful as this will increase the volume of purchase as well giving a better of margin of safety in price.
I still believe sensex 22000 levels are possible in second half of 2009 and even started a thread to that effect sometime back.Your take will be useful.
regards,
wbuffett001

07 Oct 2008 22:04

Yes fmcgbites,

With those kind of SELLing from FIIs, RBI is doing a good job on this regard by ensuring that INR go up against USD! :)

If FIIs would like to continue for SELLing like this, then you are right one can expect INR to go above 50. That is the only way to ensure that those FIIs do not just loot money from retail investors here!

In future, if some more FIIS or organsiation will come, then similar kind of appreciation will happen.

Gud luk & happy investing! :)...

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WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000

Posted by : fmcgbites

BullSheetRules,some one here said that fiis is selling to hoard $. few months back $ was at risk of losing global currency on continuous loss and now fiis are hoarding, rs has breached very level with ease, half century mark will be next.

07 Oct 2008 22:00

0707

Dear vkk ji,

I am shocked to see the first result that has rolled out today that of Prism cement.Their NP has fallen 71% on a y-o-y basis and 77% on q-o-q basis.I think many cos would come out with such results only.No wonder cement stocks are falling like nine pins.I do not know what Infosys is going to offer on 10th!.I think Lakshmicotsyn also would fail in the results going by how its price has been butchered

Regards,...

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Posted by : vkk43

Unless there are enough retail/MF buyers here in India to absorb full deliveries of FII at current market rates, weakness of the market will continue. Right, sentiment continus to be poor.

07 Oct 2008 21:59

BullSheetRules,some one here said that fiis is selling to hoard $. few months back $ was at risk of losing global currency on continuous loss and now fiis are hoarding, rs has breached very level with ease, half century mark will be next....

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Posted by : BullSheetRules

Using some common sense, Even I have been expecting that!

Thank you novice1000 for carifications!

Only thing I see in this GAME is that most FIIs manage to reduce their losses! Instead of doing PANIC SALES by thos FIIS (signs of Capitulations for those FIIs, not for Indian investors), I do not see any other way to make a COMPELTE exit from Indian market! :) :)

For those BS FIIs, Defty inex is already close to 53%. So I would find it strange if those FIIs do not go for Dirt Cheap Selling without makiing any losses!

Let us hope that those BIG PLAYers continue to PLAY the GAME sensibly.

Gud luk & happy investing! :)

07 Oct 2008 21:57

yes reverse congratulation for "SENSEX to rally by 2400 pts in 7 days" as sensex did reverse, lost 2400 points. ...

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SENSEX to rally by 2400 pts in 7 days

Posted by : wbuffett001

Dear Kalidas
I would like to congratulate you on the excellent guidance & vision you have provided to the boarders of MMB in the last one year.I have always believed full credit should be given where it is due and MMB has greatly benefitted by your sterling efforts.
May the good work continue.
regards
wbuffett001

07 Oct 2008 21:53

Dear BullSheetRules,

yes Brazil and Russia are becoming twin. double digit fall is regular event there. ...

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Posted by : BullSheetRules

Dear fmcgbites,

you forget to add info about Brazilian market!

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Emerging market stocks fell the most in at least two decades and exchanges in Brazil and Russia were forced to halt trading as the global banking crisis escalated in Europe and oil fell below a barrel.

Brazil`s Bovespa index tumbled 15 percent, while Russia`s Micex Index plunged nearly 20 percent before trading was halted for a third time today. China`s benchmark CSI 300 Index slid 5.1 percent, its biggest one-day decline since August. Indonesia and Saudi Arabia lost the most in at least six years. The MSCI Emerging Markets Index slumped 11 percent, the biggest intraday loss since 1987 when Bloomberg records began.
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Gud luk & happy investing! :)

07 Oct 2008 21:50

Using some common sense, Even I have been expecting that!

Thank you novice1000 for carifications!

Only thing I see in this GAME is that most FIIs manage to reduce their losses! Instead of doing PANIC SALES by thos FIIS (signs of Capitulations for those FIIs, not for Indian investors), I do not see any other way to make a COMPELTE exit from Indian market! :) :)

For those BS FIIs, Defty inex is already close to 53%. So I would find it strange if those FIIs do not go for Dirt Cheap Selling without makiing any losses!

Let us hope that those BIG PLAYers continue to PLAY the GAME sensibly.

Gud luk & happy investing! :)...

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WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000

Posted by : novice1000

dear BSR,

Most of the FIIs havent made any money in Indian markets except those who entered some 4 or 5 years back.

One should keep in mind that, many hedge funds who entered in the last fiscal might have lost more money than the retail lot. In fact retail investors are sitting on notional losses where as many FIIs have realized the losses by selling stocks at very low levels compared to their buying price.

regards

07 Oct 2008 21:39

i see, Mr. HLN is running some paid service thats why keep saying posting his yahoo id. good luck to him,but you are right about beating the drum, i have also seen some one saying that 2 years back, hln was saying 7300 on sensex but sensex went 21200. he should find that sensex 7300 thread and may be he will get another chance of beating drum....

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Posted by : Guest

Hi fmcgbites... seems that Mr. HLN is the captain of the Ship with Many innocent investors onboard. His ship will sink to the bottom of blue see, even when there is no storm, just because of his wierd so called techincal analysis, and will take full toll on the innocent investors listening and subscribing to his paid services. He is always seem beating his own drum for predicting levels correct, which actually he predicts to be in month of January and gradually keeps movinf the timeframe as the market progresses. Somewhere in no mans land, his levels are reached in last quarter of year ( which are anyways supposed to come ), he will come out with his drum. God save those who are doomed by this person.

07 Oct 2008 21:38

Unless there are enough retail/MF buyers here in India to absorb full deliveries of FII at current market rates, weakness of the market will continue. Right, sentiment continus to be poor....

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Posted by : ank1977

It looks like that nifty will touch 3150-3000 level, if it breaks 3400 level. Smart pullback rally is on the card at any time from now. For upside nifty has to cross 3750-3900 level. Sensex has a very good support at 11500-11300. If it breaks 11300 level, it can go down to 10300-9800 level. The sentiment has been not so good bcoz of USA financial crisis. There is nothing wrong with India.

07 Oct 2008 21:35

Scottish... n Irish are different people than da Britz .... Irish people are hard working n good people..... though da bank may b British......

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Posted by : sp.palo

treatment for hiccups... Hmmmm

Tell them to start a new East India company here. We will change their hiccups into chronic TB cough. I hate those UK people. Let them get lost of their own.

shakti

07 Oct 2008 21:34

dear BSR,

Most of the FIIs havent made any money in Indian markets except those who entered some 4 or 5 years back.

One should keep in mind that, many hedge funds who entered in the last fiscal might have lost more money than the retail lot. In fact retail investors are sitting on notional losses where as many FIIs have realized the losses by selling stocks at very low levels compared to their buying price.

regards

...

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Posted by : BullSheetRules

I agree with you pkk07!

That is a BS myth that FIIs make money! :)

Just put yourself in the FIIs`s shoes and feel the LIQUIDITY pressures. :)

Only thing is that those FIIs manage to do ther hedging properly.

In this GAME of BILLION of dollars, removing those Billion of dollars without making any LOSS would sound Strange to me!

For any FRESH investments, I would say instead of waiting for 3400, wait for the time when FIIs start SELLing at dirt cheap prices! 3400 should provide those wonderful opportunities in current situations!

Those FIIs would not like to sell Index stocks heavily as those FIIs would like to maintain the CONTROL on Indian market in longer run!

If those BS FIIs REALLY wish to make an exit, let them do at very, dirt cheap prices! :)

By SELLing Billions of dollars in millions, I am unable to understand how someone can make money! Only thing is that they use lot of leveraged money. For this, one need to understand how much money actually is being used! :)

That is why, GAME has turned interesting today! :)

Let us hope for the best! Those Big PLAYers continue to PLAY Sensible GAMES!

Gud luk & happy investing! :)

07 Oct 2008 21:28

Dear Kalidas
I would like to congratulate you on the excellent guidance & vision you have provided to the boarders of MMB in the last one year.I have always believed full credit should be given where it is due and MMB has greatly benefitted by your sterling efforts.
May the good work continue.
regards
wbuffett001...

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SENSEX to rally by 2400 pts in 7 days

Posted by : Kalidas

for wbuffet001

I can not believe it. It is hyped up figure. Anyway, let us leave it at that.

Kalidas, Hong kong
6-10-2008

07 Oct 2008 21:26

Oh ok..I thought it in different way, anyway if your waiting horizon it will all get recovered...Best of luck......

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Posted by : hsnmf

Thanks for your concern.Most losses in ULIP scheme of ICICI Prudential Life Insurance and Reliance Golden Year Plan. The other losses are in Mutual Funds.

07 Oct 2008 21:20

I agree with you pkk07!

That is a BS myth that FIIs make money! :)

Just put yourself in the FIIs`s shoes and feel the LIQUIDITY pressures. :)

Only thing is that those FIIs manage to do ther hedging properly.

In this GAME of BILLION of dollars, removing those Billion of dollars without making any LOSS would sound Strange to me!

For any FRESH investments, I would say instead of waiting for 3400, wait for the time when FIIs start SELLing at dirt cheap prices! 3400 should provide those wonderful opportunities in current situations!

Those FIIs would not like to sell Index stocks heavily as those FIIs would like to maintain the CONTROL on Indian market in longer run!

If those BS FIIs REALLY wish to make an exit, let them do at very, dirt cheap prices! :)

By SELLing Billions of dollars in millions, I am unable to understand how someone can make money! Only thing is that they use lot of leveraged money. For this, one need to understand how much money actually is being used! :)

That is why, GAME has turned interesting today! :)

Let us hope for the best! Those Big PLAYers continue to PLAY Sensible GAMES!

Gud luk & happy investing! :)...

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WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000

Posted by : pkk07

I think it is a myth that FIIs make money. The size of their investments is so big that they can not pull out all their money out quickly when the times look bad.

Another thing: I was looking at a poll in moneycontrol asking people when would they start buying - at 3600, 3500 or 3400? Majority are waiting for 3400. That gives me the clue that we will not go there. Not at least now.

07 Oct 2008 21:18

Technical analyst C.J.Mathews Sankarathil,MBA told the media that the fall of market will end by October last.He added that the fall will be limited to 11000 levels.He denied the arguments of falling markets to 10000 levels. He is positive on Indian Market and see an uptrend from November 2008....
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Posted by : MMB Messenger

Dear Boarders,Do let us know your views and opinions on the poll.-MMB Messenger

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