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Dear RN,
When you mix ayurvedic terms in stock markets in very hard to understand, Like reading GRE english... lol.
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Is indian economy collapsing????!!!!
Posted by :
radhika_nandlal
Sriman,
This slide has even caught WARREN unawares so lets excuse Udayan. Neither TA nor FA is playing out. Only fear. Fear is essentially vata state so the energy in fear will be expended fast since vata goes towards the state of disorganized very very quickly... vata constitution always tends to expend everything at their disposal quickly. Then markets will consolidate which will be kapha.. kapha stands for potential energy while vata stands for kinetic energy. Potential energy afer sometime has to find expression and u will see pitta taking over doing the work of building investor`s wealth. When markets become a hot air bubble then they burst of course... so the cycle goes on. Until you see kapha over and done with you can keep buying. 
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Dear marketman
The big game has already been played in the world markets. At the end of the game no one know who were the winners and the losser. Are the small investors the lossers those who got wipped out or big FII who threw money in the markets and may have lost two third of their value.
The markets taught world its bitter lesson in 1930 and history will remember this one as the chapter II in this series.
Regards...
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Is indian economy collapsing????!!!!
Posted by : marketman
Dear novice,the stock markets collapsed/crashed more than 50% within few months.... analysts have been telling us at diiferent stages as fair valued levels.... if felt 10000 is fair level,somebody talke 9000 and few otheres tell 8000 and so on like that.... now people are not caring health of markets,worrying about the welath of them.... many investors lost more than 90% investment in stock markets in recent times.... finally now,all the hopes are given up and specailists telling the poor fundamentals ahead with bad corporate performance in coming terms.... that is a cause of worry here...
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Dear investor11
The liquidity has been almost completely squeezed from the global markets and the respective governments are trying to inject liquidity artificially. This may have a cascading effects and severe consequences if they fail to regain confidence and growth in the economies.
These are temporary measure and are taken in a panic situation and some of these economies have crossed the debts to GDP ratios and any further infusion of liquidity may tumble the whole economy it self.
India is in a better shape but will scum to these global pressure in the initial phase as liquidity will be squeezed out from here by the FII’s. If India still remain on the growth path and sail this tide of global melt down equity will show improvement significantly.
But the situation is very tricky and painful and one should prepare for the worse or can be washed out.
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Is indian economy collapsing????!!!!
Posted by :
investor11
I do not think so IIP no may be an abberartion
Falling crude
Decrease inflation
Gov and RBI swift action to improve liquidity in system
P note norms revision
India US nuclear deal
All these factors would have positive impact on market sooner rather than later
GDP of 8 % would maintain,developed economy are facing severe problem more so in US hence we have retracted almost 50% in my opinion we rae over done should have good result soon.
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Bhaiya,
Looks like Sensex 8800 is very possible as per my Technical outlook.The ICICI stock is what I am a little worried about.The way it is falling is quite disturbing.On 4 occasions in the last week their Management has come on TV to reassure Investors.RBI surprisingly has come in and said that ICICI is better capitalised then SBI.Today Sunday rating agency Moody comes and tells us ICICI is a solid Bank.If everything is hunky dory why are these Jokers coming on TV?The way the Stock Price is behaving is like a Bank going bust.Either the Market is right or there is a Bear Cartel trying to make a quick buck.The country cannot afford a run on a big Bank like ICICI.It can be very destabilising for our fragile Financial system.Market is behaving like a Junkie in need of a fix.Everyday they want a new baleout.Currency printing presses are going to be very busy.
Take Care!
Goldchest....
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SENSEX to rally by 2400 pts in 7 days
Posted by :
The D Company
Hi goldchest ,
Firstly i am not " sir " i am ganda bacchha LOL. And i would be half your age . Don`t go on my talks and judge my age , I have seen a lot in my life thats why i talk so maturely , But then sometimes i behave according to my age as well.
One thing i can say about me with confidence , i will never misguide anyone out here. Frankly speaking , Sometimes i will but most of the
time not. Even when i misguide i will do it in such a way that no one makes a loss , So net net you should trust me on the whole.
Speaking about the markets , Irrespective of some bounce here or there i don`t see markets sustaining these levels for sure. Markets
have to go down and go down considerably from here.Look at What Japan , Europe etc are doing . They are falling @ 10 percent a
day.These are not small markets , They need big big money to move , No one can tell u better then me . Look at the dow itself.
What has happened in US is not a small thing as it puts a big question mark on the very basics of capitalism. Right now investment banks are in the limelight , Very soon
derivatives as a whole investment category will be in question , they already are. Who knows tomorrow the base of " Equity investing" is
put in to question. It should be , I will explain it later.
So when the base of a thing itself is in question you should stay away from that thing. And even if you are interested in investing then go
on the old tried tested ways like valuing the company on PE basis , and mind you that too on Current earnings not futuristic earnings. If
you find something in 5 to 6 times range on current earnings and have some idea that the earnings will not fall then go and buy in case u
have to invest otherwise leave it.
Don`t try this Enterprise value , replacement cost , PEG ratio etc to value a company , this all is crap. Dont try to justify your greed.
People say TAJ hotel { indian hotel} is trading cheap because you are getting hotel properties very cheap. I don`t think so that " Indian
hotels" had made an announcement that they are going to sell all their hotels and distribute the money among the shareholders. And i don`t
even think so that a small investor has got that kind of money that he is going to buy a major stake in company. If this is not the case then ignore all this crap. Like a multiple of sale value etc etc total crap.
Cutting short , First of all don`t look at the markets as of now and if you look then don`t buy anything with these methods of valuation.
Just stick to PE.
And avoid futuristic businesses like Alternate energy , When the crude itself will go down to cheap level there is no point paying such
huge premium on say a stock like moser baer , Which trade on the basis of some futuristic stories and enterprise value or multiple of
futuristic sales value crap.
Remember a good stock becomes a bad stock if bought at a wrong price.Stocks who have their values calculated on these basis can make
you bankrupt as they hardly have corrected.
I don`t operate moser baer stock nor am i interested , but just mentioning it as a example because a friend of mine keeps on pushing me
towards that or anything with alternate energy tag , telling some fairy tales. I asked him to buy that at rupees 20 or take a walk on the moon lol.I am not buying any midcap now for a long time to come just concentrate on the large cap that too if you have the risk appetite.
Ganda bacchha
Prateek bhatia
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dear aru,
I am talking ,after taking the splits and bonuses in to account.
HCC was 80 plus levels in June 2006( cmp-47).
Bajaj hind was at 270 levels in June 2006( cmp-59).
NCC was at 85 levels in June 2006(cmp 53).
How ever Punj was at 110 levels in August 2006(cmp 192).
Even counters like LIC housing finance,ONGC, SBI are still at much better levels compared to lows in 2006.
We may see more fall in index stocks in the days to come.
regards...
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WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000
Posted by : vam_aru
Dear Novice1000,
No stock will be spared, some stocks looks cheaper because they are all splited / given bonues, The persons who missed out on the last two years run can easily come in and start investing in the markets gradually, and reap in good returns...
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Radhika ji,
I am at complete loss in undestanding your message.
"Fear is essentially vata state so the energy in fear will be expended fast since vata goes towards the state of disorganized very very quickly... vata constitution always tends to expend everything at their disposal quickly. Then markets will consolidate which will be kapha.. kapha stands for potential energy while vata stands for kinetic energy. Potential energy afer sometime has to find expression and u will see pitta taking over doing the work of building investor`s wealth."
Could you re-post the message in simple language..! Thank you very much.
Regards,
Sri...
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Is indian economy collapsing????!!!!
Posted by : radhika_nandlal
Sriman,
This slide has even caught WARREN unawares so lets excuse Udayan. Neither TA nor FA is playing out. Only fear. Fear is essentially vata state so the energy in fear will be expended fast since vata goes towards the state of disorganized very very quickly... vata constitution always tends to expend everything at their disposal quickly. Then markets will consolidate which will be kapha.. kapha stands for potential energy while vata stands for kinetic energy. Potential energy afer sometime has to find expression and u will see pitta taking over doing the work of building investor`s wealth. When markets become a hot air bubble then they burst of course... so the cycle goes on. Until you see kapha over and done with you can keep buying.
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Dear Novice1000,
No stock will be spared, some stocks looks cheaper because they are all splited / given bonues, The persons who missed out on the last two years run can easily come in and start investing in the markets gradually, and reap in good returns......
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WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000
Posted by : novice1000
dear aru,
yes in June 2006, it was just a major correction in markets.Thats what i tried to explain HLN also.
Right now there are many shares which are trading at much lower levels compared to June 2006 levels.
Stocks like HCC,NCC,Bajaj are at much lower levels compared to that time.
Punj is still at higher levels compared to earlier lows in 2006.
regards
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Sriman,
This slide has even caught WARREN unawares so lets excuse Udayan. Neither TA nor FA is playing out. Only fear. Fear is essentially vata state so the energy in fear will be expended fast since vata goes towards the state of disorganized very very quickly... vata constitution always tends to expend everything at their disposal quickly. Then markets will consolidate which will be kapha.. kapha stands for potential energy while vata stands for kinetic energy. Potential energy afer sometime has to find expression and u will see pitta taking over doing the work of building investor`s wealth. When markets become a hot air bubble then they burst of course... so the cycle goes on. Until you see kapha over and done with you can keep buying....
In reply to:
Is indian economy collapsing????!!!!
Posted by : Sriman35
Hi RN,
Your message is little confusing. Initially i thought there is some real bad news about JP Hydro.. but now it turned to be that you are just complimenting udayan`s views with out your own opinion. Hum..!
Anyways, thanks for your quick reply. It is useful. Thanks again.
bty.. I have dabur pharma in my PF. The next day after the take over or after open offer, Udayan said in one of his columns "I will not sell below 100, If I were you". He may be true but I didn`t realize that he didn`t give any time frame.
Regards,
Sri
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Hi RN,
Your message is little confusing. Initially i thought there is some real bad news about JP Hydro.. but now it turned to be that you are just complimenting udayan`s views with out your own opinion. Hum..!
Anyways, thanks for your quick reply. It is useful. Thanks again.
bty.. I have dabur pharma in my PF. The next day after the take over or after open offer, Udayan said in one of his columns "I will not sell below 100, If I were you". He may be true but I didn`t realize that he didn`t give any time frame.
Regards,
Sri...
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Is indian economy collapsing????!!!!
Posted by : radhika_nandlal
Sriman,
The other day Udayan was mentioning why JP hydro was beaten out of shape. I cannot recollect the exact reasons but it was to do with its Fundamental worth..... i am not very FA savvy
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dear aru,
yes in June 2006, it was just a major correction in markets.Thats what i tried to explain HLN also.
Right now there are many shares which are trading at much lower levels compared to June 2006 levels.
Stocks like HCC,NCC,Bajaj are at much lower levels compared to that time.
Punj is still at higher levels compared to earlier lows in 2006.
regards...
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WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000
Posted by : vam_aru
Dear snvaish,
Bang on, You have described the difference between the 2006 crash and 2008 crash, Currentlyalmost all the shares about to be traded at June 2006 levels, still some more sector price rotation on the cards, due to this process we might be seeing lower levels, So one needs to take a very long term outlook and look to invest in markets with out any hurry, and look to protect his port folio and earn something from his portfolio..
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Once upon a time in a village, a man appeared and announced to the villagers that he would buy monkeys for Rs10. The villagers seeing that there were many monkeys around, went out to the forest and started catching them. The man bought thousands at Rs10 and as supply started to diminish, the villagers stopped their effort.
He further announced that he would now buy at Rs20. This renewed the efforts of the villagers and they started catching monkeys again. Soon the supply diminished even further and people started going back to their farms. The offer rate increased to Rs25 and the supply of monkeys became so little that it was an effort to even see a monkey, let alone catch it!
The man now announced that he would buy monkeys at Rs50! However, since he had to go to the city on some business, his assistant would now buy on behalf of him. In the absence of the man, the assistant told the villagers. Look at all these monkeys in the big cage that the man has collected. I will sell them to you at Rs35 and when the man returns from the city, you can sell it to him for Rs50.
The villagers squeezed up with all their savings and bought all the monkeys. Then they never saw the man nor his assistant, only monkeys everywhere
This is the What FII`s Did with Indians
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Dear Sam
We may be near the intermediate bottom but the big question is if any of the big assets comes under pressure with might see freefalls once again. Other postive developments are
The Nuke deal too has been signed.
Crude has slipped below the 80$ mark.
Cheers
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EWT Alert: Downward logical target is near
Posted by : sam_pd
61.8 % of fib label which mentioned in that last post is done. This is true if we take the bull market post 2004, if we consider the bull market post 2001, then 61.8% level has to come yet and which is just below 3000, So in worst case my levels to watch will be 2950-3000 on nifty .
Anyway my 25% protfolio buy in fire sale shopping is over last week and won`t put a single penny more unless market becomes little stable.
Vivek Patil of icicidirect been giving some theory about 8years of cycle and 55% cut from top and according to that nifty level comes at 2860. Let us see how market behaves in coming days.
Real game is shifting again to call money rate and again its zooming , on friday it touched 22% intraday. high call rates suggest that there is shortage of Rs and Rs making new low against $. what the hell is going on? sheer speculation.
Please note that this is not the first time, call money rate is zooming and has taken over maximum PLR. In last week of March 2007, call rates was zoomed to 75% on 21st march 2007, see the chart above for call money rate. On 1st June 2007, do you know how much it was , it was just 0.01%.
If we take the history of call mony rate zoom, close to every massive fall, call money rates zoom and market becomes a hyper pessimistic place. Soon
Anyway from yesterday 1.5% crr cut is effective and 60000 cr will come into the system and on saturday call rate was down to 10%. But next week will be things to watch out for call money rate. anyway i don`t think game is over in call money rate and in name of liquidity crunch, again sooner or later it will zoom to + 50% and then may be RBI will allow bank to use its repo window to borrow and use the fund for lending.
anyway i expect to hear some more bad news from media and print channel about very high call rates( they have already started this) and creating more panic in stock market and that may compel RBI to do some more and probably intrest rate cut, let us hope RBI doesn`t cut interest rate and keep using crr as tool to pump more money. first sign of liquidty ease will get reflected in call money rate,that will work towards providing stability in stock market. So watch out for this.
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Sriman,
The other day Udayan was mentioning why JP hydro was beaten out of shape. I cannot recollect the exact reasons but it was to do with its Fundamental worth..... i am not very FA savvy...
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Is indian economy collapsing????!!!!
Posted by : Sriman35
-Q-
Why go for nifty stocks in our portfolio, in case we invest in the wrong stock like ICICI or JP HYDRO.
-UQ-
Hi RN,
What is wrong with JP Hydro. Appreciate if you can share the info.
Regards,
Sri
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-Q-
Why go for nifty stocks in our portfolio, in case we invest in the wrong stock like ICICI or JP HYDRO.
-UQ-
Hi RN,
What is wrong with JP Hydro. Appreciate if you can share the info.
Regards,
Sri...
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Is indian economy collapsing????!!!!
Posted by : radhika_nandlal
Marketman,
An investment in large caps is on everybody`s mind.
Why go for nifty stocks in our portfolio, in case we invest in the wrong stock like ICICI or JP HYDRO.
I think the best way to invest in nifty is buy NIFTY BEES, we can buy 1 unit too.. any disadvantages you are aware of in such an instrument? Do share ur views on nifty bees..
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