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Callahan,
Heres a joke from chesty's archives in reply to dhan's post.
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Posted by : dhan at 10:00 (05th Dec '04) in reply to Chest50Arms20 | message
Why did Chest did not cross the street? Because it has no legs to stand.
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Now for PJs
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Posted by : Chest50Arms20 at 21:29 (04th Dec '04) in reply to Chest50Arms20 | message
Why did Dhan cross the street?
The traffic light showed saffron.
Why did Chemkiron cross the street?
Because Dhan called him.
Why did Sam99 cross the street?
There were too many VB/SQL Programmers in his current avenue.
Why did AssetManager cross the street?
He had to implement SAP with bearlover in Dhans corner.
Why did Maverick cross the street?
He couldnt stand the trash I was writing!!!
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to all those ppl opposing the NDEAL.
Posted by :
Callahan
Ha Ha Ha... Advani wrote in his book he did not attend the meeting... I did say someone else said he did... Dod not name him cause I forgot the name... Most probably George Fernandez... The cabinet did meet... I would say George might have forgotten.. So when did I dream ? Better ask Kapil Sibal to debate with me... I have enough of one Buffoon... I can do with a variation... Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha... ROFL...
PS: If u think Vajpayee is an assho** its ur thinking... For me he is the greatest PM ever for the simple reason that he got India to become a strategic partner with US w/o offending Russia...No other PM did... And this CONgress govt is reaping the benefits of that gr8 man while badmouthing him through buffoons like u... Well for starters the ambitious Godlen Quadrilateral was dismissed by an assho** minister TR Baalu as just 4/6 laning of highways... NDA worked 4 years and got it near 90% ready... The last 10 odd % is not complete after more than 4 years by this minister even though there is sufficient funds available... This when the first 10% is most difficult... Sure the last 10% comes the second most... But... This is the most useless govt and I can give a 100 reasons... I guess one is sufficient for those who understand and even a 100 are insufficient for buffonns like u... SO I stop with one... Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha... ROFL... 
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Radhika
Thanks for the tips.
ARG...
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to all those ppl opposing the NDEAL.
Posted by : radhika_nandlal
Arg,
After u type the last setence press delete couple of times so the space after the message is deleted....
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Hi Bhavani,
Yes,it is the need that is important and the diversified sources.
Coming to another point the NUC agreement is not just NUC energy
Also dual use of technology
Which is going to revolutionize our manufacturing and the use in bio tech etc
Another opening for India is the new security council member ship
Now we have chance to stake when ever that happens,becue the trust they have on us
Regds
GV ...
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N DEAL
Posted by : Bhavani27
GV Uncle, costs are relevant only when you have a choice. When there is no alternative source of energy, in say a half century from now, India will not have to look abroad for its expertise and manufacturing, installation, commissioning, operations and maintenance only if they keep the tempo going from NOW onwards. With Medha Patkars and Arundhadhi Roys and to a leser extent the Mamata Bannerji like activists against attempts to tap any hydro potential(which in any case is at the mercy of the monsoons) or mining operations for fossil fuel there is no alternative for a country the size of India. Solar energy or wind energy or other non-conventional forms of energy can, at best, be toys in the hands of a few.
tks & rgds
SARVAM KRISHNAARPANAM
Bhavani
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GV Uncle, costs are relevant only when you have a choice. When there is no alternative source of energy, in say a half century from now, India will not have to look abroad for its expertise and manufacturing, installation, commissioning, operations and maintenance only if they keep the tempo going from NOW onwards. With Medha Patkars and Arundhadhi Roys and to a leser extent the Mamata Bannerji like activists against attempts to tap any hydro potential(which in any case is at the mercy of the monsoons) or mining operations for fossil fuel there is no alternative for a country the size of India. Solar energy or wind energy or other non-conventional forms of energy can, at best, be toys in the hands of a few.
tks & rgds
SARVAM KRISHNAARPANAM
Bhavani...
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N DEAL
Posted by : gv
Hi Novice,
some points on your message
When we talk of Energy it is always as a basket
Some may be cheaper
Since energy has components like fossil fuel,Solar,Wind,Fusion
And NUC
About 15 years back Oil was $40/50
and now its 120/150 people till using it and in fact consumption has increased
Look at the example of water,would you have purchased the Mineral water
At Rs 12,20-25 years back?
The cost of desalination of water is high compared to natural sources of water,but we are installing now and countries like Saudi,Singapore are using it irrespective of cost
Why?--The need,when the need keeps increasing the cost consideration is relative
So is the NUC energy,Imagine the situation that Oil Reaching $300
At some point of time (i don't know when? 20 years!!!)
At that point NUc can be comparable or even cheaper than Fossil fuel
So we need to look at our Energy basket and come out cost,and not just look at individually,It is very important for a nation to spread the energy basket for security
Even if you look power cost generation cost of Hydro is cheaper than fossil fuel
So the point is how diversified we are now and that gives us protection and flexibility
Regds
GV
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Dear Aunty:
Leading manufactuers like Larsen & Toubro (L&T), Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited (BHEL) and Walchandnagar Industries Limited (WIL)
have been in the forefront from the beginning and continue to participate in the nuclear power programme prominently. Other manufacturers like Bharat Heavy Plates and Vessels, Godrej & Boyce manufacturing Co. Ltd, Richardson & Crudas and G.R.Engineering joined their company soon after. Cooper Engineering works, a unit of
Walchand Hirachand Group and Kirloskar Brothers Ltd. participated in the manufacture of smaller high-precision components. A new company, MTAR, took up this type of work right from its inception and grew into a major supplier of specialised highprecision components for nuclear reactor and its fuel handling system. L&T, WIL and Godrej also play a prominent role in this area. More companies like vasarala
Automation Ltd., MGM Industries, AS Engineering and Eastern Engineering Corporation have made a successful entry in this field in recent times. Medium-sized fabrication jobs were executed by companies like Agro Engineers, Lokesh Machines, Variety Engineers, Gansons, Lloyd steel, Vividh High Fab, Anup Engineering etc. A nuclear power project requires many conventional items apart from the nuclear reactor components. However, they are also. Major pump manufacturers like Bharat Pumps and Compressors Ltd, Kirloskar Brothers, Mather and Platt, Jyoti Limited and KSB pumps rose to the occasion and developed the pumping equipment meeting critical
requirements. Similarly, valve manufacturers like Audco division of L&T, BHEL, Fouress Ltd., Instrumentation Ltd., MIL etc. developed the valves for general as well as special applications. All the turbine generators were supplied by BHEL, while condensers were made by BHEL, L&T and Bharat Heavy Plates & Vessels. Plate-type heat exchangers were supplied by Alpha Lavel and IDMC Ltd. GEA Energy systems supplied major secondary cycle equipment like deaerator, on line tube cleaning system etc. Electrical equipment have been supplied by leading suppliers like BHEL, L&T, Siemens, Cromption & Greeves,NGEF, TELK, Kirloskar Electric, Alsthom etc., meeting special requirements of nuclear power projects.
All the raw materials were required to be imported earlier. A number of sources like Mishra Dhatu Nigam, Mahindra Ugine Steel Co., Kalyani Steels, Vishveshvaraiyya Iron and Steel were developed for the supply of special grades of alloy steels. Special forgings are also now developed by companies like Bharat Forge, BHEL, Fomas,
MGM etc. Pipes and tubes required for nuclear power projects are now being produced by M/s. Maharashtra Seamless, Ratnamani, Surya Roshni etc. Plates and structural manufactured by SAIL, TISCO, Jindal etc. are being used for an increasing number of applications. Civil construction of all the projects has been carried out by leading construction organisation like ECC Division of L&T, Hindustan Construction Company and Gammon India Ltd. They have progressively introduced novel features in their methodology to improve the quality
and reduce time period.
All of these are now becoming personna non grata in favour of a GE and Westinghouse and what have you from overseas.
SARVAM KRISHNAARPANAM
Bhavani
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N DEAL
Posted by : nightowl
novice,
i dont understand,
would you like to be more explicit on what you base your prediction can you substantiate your apprehensions??... i am in total agreement with GV... nothing better could have happened for our country... we are on the threshold of a new era in the history of our country.. thats how i look at it.. its not just energy supply and alternative energy requirements, but on the whole... to get to a developed nation status we needed theis treated this treaty to go through.. it may take time for it to bear fruit, but nonetheless the benefits will be there for our children to reap..
\regards
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Nuke deal: A win for PM, but will UPA also score?????????????
Getting the nod of the 45-nation Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) for the Indo-US nuclear deal—this is expected to be passed by the US Congress later this month—will be recorded as the most important achievement of the Manmohan Singh-led United Progressive Alliance (UPA) government at theCentre.
What does consummating this deal mean to Prime Minister Singh and the Congress-led UPA towards the end of their five-year term? And, how will this affect the principal political players as India heads for a poll season with a string of assembly elections barely two months from now and the a general election slated for April-May?
For Singh, the culmination of the nuclear deal is a vindication of sorts. He has always maintained that the deal is in the nation’s interest. He held his nerve at crucial moments when his government appeared shaky and secured the full backing of his party and coalition’s leadership.
Until a few months ago, the widespread impression among people was that Singh was a “puppet” prime minister who was not just weak but could take no decisions on his own.
Recent political developments and the imminent success of the nuclear deal have brought about a phenomenal transformation in this image and Singh is now seen as a strong-willed leader and as a man with firm convictions who will stay in office only on his terms. In today’s politics, when political leaders cringe and stoop to stick to office, Singh’s firm stand has won him support. As the UPA government’s term is drawing to a close, Singh has gained in stature and has emerged out of the shadows of Congress leader Sonia Gandhi who is the “real” leader of the coalition. He has also proved his newly acquired political management and negotiation skills in securing the support of an arch rival, the Samajwadi Party (SP), to stave off a threat to his government after a key ally, the Left Front, withdrew support to the UPA government over the issue of the nuclear deal.
The image of Singh’s government has been sullied by the murky developments leading to the UPA government’s trust vote in the Lok Sabha on 22 July, which it won by a wide margin. Fortunately for the Prime Minister, allegations that representatives of opposition parties were bribed to support the government have not dented the public perception of Singh as an “apolitical” leader with unquestioned personal integrity.
Can the nuke deal be a poll issue?
The Congress party is in raptures over the success of the nuclear deal and has begun talking about it as a panacea to all energy ills that ail India. Someone in the Congress party has already come up with a weird slogan: “Give your vote to the Congress; we will give you electricity ”. After 20 years?
Will the nuke deal—billed as the UPA government’s major success—translate into electoral support? This is unlikely as the deal is a complete non-issue as far as voters are concerned. Imminent elections to the state assemblies of Delhi, Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh and Chhattisgarh will vindicate this assessment. At one level, people are completely unaware of what the deal is all about and at another, they seem hardly bothered about it due to its esoteric nature and long-range benefits. Therefore, any attempt to highlight it as a major achievement of the government to gain political mileage would come a cropper.
However, UPA can take solace from the fact that pursuing the nuclear deal has not cost it the Muslim vote as was feared earlier. The Muslim vote is intact with the Rashtriya Janata Dal in Bihar, the SP in Uttar Pradesh and the Congress in all its strongholds. The campaign by the opposition parties that the deal draws India closer to the Bush administration in the US and, by implication, makes the country anti-Muslim has come unstuck.
In my assessment, it would be a monumental blunder for the UPA to pitch its political campaign on the nuclear deal. And it will be no less a blunder than the BJP-led National Democratic Alliance’s (NDA) “India Shining” campaign before the last general election.
Equally, the NDA and the Left Front will be making a huge mistake if they carry their opposition to the nuclear deal to the electoral battlefield as they will be sidestepping the key issue of inflation which has made the life of the “common man” unbearable.
The UPA government that is basking in the glow of nuclear success should realize that its failure to contain inflation will likely become the key poll issue in next year’s general election. If UPA hopes to win elections on the issue of nuclear power, darkness is sure to shroud it in the next polls
(Source-The Bottom Line
G.V.L.Narasimha Rao)...
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agreed vera,
but as years go by, nuke waste will be dealt with aswell..for every complication there is /or will be , a solution
regards
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N DEAL
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vera_anz
Nuke power is not cheap but can be a faster way of achieving energy sufficiency.As time passes nuclear waste will become a huge liability and can pose huge risk to people given our handling of things.
Nuke power should only be used to complement current energy deficiency for short term and focus more wind and hydal power for long term.
Nuke deal will only help US to counter recession but the euphoria in India will die down after 1000 point rally if no negative news is in store.
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Well I don\\`t know how to go in deep detail numbers but I m sure our prime minister knows whats better for the country...... If I am not not mistaken it was him as finance minister who opened the duties on gold when it was trading close to 300 usd...... n look where we are today.... I m sure he can think.... look we are importing problems anyways.....we are pumping enough carbon in air which will cause health problems ..... n cost of that alone may exceed this nuke waste... so a price has to b paid one way or the other...... its better to have a healthy nation than a sick one........+ what we achieve today ( wavier )will stay with us for ever we can always change our mind depending on nuke power........ for now I think its a good deal..............
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N DEAL
Posted by : novice1000
hi pkjatts,
It is not going to be good for economy neither in the long term nor in the interim period.
At a cost of Rs.15/- plus levels per one kwh, if 15000 MW of power generation is achieved in the next 15 years or so.. it will be 20 times bigger than an Enron.All dsitribution companies and transmission companies in India will bankrupt.
US is planning to spend 90 billion $ for the proposed dump to keep nuclear waste.Can India ever think of such huge expenses when 76 crore Indians are having an income lesser than 2$ per day?
regards
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Cheng Jingye, head of the Chinese delegation told meeting that NSG to "equally address the aspirations of all parties for the peaceful use of nuclear power while adhering to the nuclear non-proliferation mechanism".
He did not clarify what he meant by "all parties", but it is likely that Beijing will lobby for concessions to be given to other nuclear trade aspirants like Pakistan on the ground that India has been given the advantage of buying nuclear material and technology from all over the world, sources said.
Unfortunatley some ppl in INDIA dont want this(NDEAL) to happen to INDIA.....
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BEIJING: Chinese experts on international affairs are calling for creation of a mechanism for India and China to discuss issues relating to nuclear non-proliferation on a regular basis.
Beijing is worried that Saturday\\`s decision of the Nuclear Suppliers Group might lead to an arms race with Pakistan and also impact the border negotiations between India and China.
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Nuke power is not cheap but can be a faster way of achieving energy sufficiency.As time passes nuclear waste will become a huge liability and can pose huge risk to people given our handling of things.
Nuke power should only be used to complement current energy deficiency for short term and focus more wind and hydal power for long term.
Nuke deal will only help US to counter recession but the euphoria in India will die down after 1000 point rally if no negative news is in store....
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N DEAL
Posted by : nightowl
novice,
i dont understand,
would you like to be more explicit on what you base your prediction can you substantiate your apprehensions??... i am in total agreement with GV... nothing better could have happened for our country... we are on the threshold of a new era in the history of our country.. thats how i look at it.. its not just energy supply and alternative energy requirements, but on the whole... to get to a developed nation status we needed theis treated this treaty to go through.. it may take time for it to bear fruit, but nonetheless the benefits will be there for our children to reap..
\regards
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it is morally wrong for poor farmers to have to forcibly give up their lands for a pittance to make the rich richer*****...
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Singur:Media takes sides with Tatas
Posted by :
selambannan
A father committed suicide when he was not sure of his sons' employment at Singur plant,media reports.
But the same media when farmers from the villages, Bolapalli and Mudhreddipalli in AP committed suicides as the SEZ for pharmaceutical industry took away around 1000 acres and made the farmers to work for daily wage in the SEZ.
But even when the employment was not sure and were laid off, people who were landowners earlier and now with nothing in their hand committed suicide.
Singur farmers also will face such a situation in future and the medial will not come to their rescue.
Poor one sided media!
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yet another row over language by narrow minded linguistic chauvinists....should have its echo in m/c.........
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Hindi ,Marathi not "Similar"?
Posted by : selambannan
An apparent off-the-cuff remark by actress Jaya Bachchan supporting the use of Hindi language by north Indians in Maharashtra has snowballed into a controversy with the Shiv Sena and Raj Thackeray-led MNS launching a scathing attack on Jaya Bachan who is an MP of Samajwadi party.While the Sena said "people of Maharashtra will not tolerate such language from Jaya Bachchan", MNS demanded an apology from her, saying she has insulted the Marathi people.
At the Drona film promo here last night, Jaya had said " hum UP ke log hain, hamein Hindi mein baat karni chahiye " (we are from Uttar Pradesh and should speak in Hindi).
"Can she dare utter such remarks in Assam, where people are killed for speaking in Hindi," a Sena leader said.
Sena spokesperson and Jaya Bachchan's colleague in Rajya Sabha Sanjay Raut said: "People of Maharashtra will not tolerate such language."
"The Bachchans have been living here for so many years and saying that they do not know the local language is an insult to Marathi people," MNS leader Yashwant Killedar said.
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novice,
i dont understand,
would you like to be more explicit on what you base your prediction can you substantiate your apprehensions??... i am in total agreement with GV... nothing better could have happened for our country... we are on the threshold of a new era in the history of our country.. thats how i look at it.. its not just energy supply and alternative energy requirements, but on the whole... to get to a developed nation status we needed theis treated this treaty to go through.. it may take time for it to bear fruit, but nonetheless the benefits will be there for our children to reap..
\regards...
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N DEAL
Posted by : novice1000
hi pkjatts,
It is not going to be good for economy neither in the long term nor in the interim period.
At a cost of Rs.15/- plus levels per one kwh, if 15000 MW of power generation is achieved in the next 15 years or so.. it will be 20 times bigger than an Enron.All dsitribution companies and transmission companies in India will bankrupt.
US is planning to spend 90 billion $ for the proposed dump to keep nuclear waste.Can India ever think of such huge expenses when 76 crore Indians are having an income lesser than 2$ per day?
regards
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Hi Novice,
some points on your message
When we talk of Energy it is always as a basket
Some may be cheaper
Since energy has components like fossil fuel,Solar,Wind,Fusion
And NUC
About 15 years back Oil was $40/50
and now its 120/150 people till using it and in fact consumption has increased
Look at the example of water,would you have purchased the Mineral water
At Rs 12,20-25 years back?
The cost of desalination of water is high compared to natural sources of water,but we are installing now and countries like Saudi,Singapore are using it irrespective of cost
Why?--The need,when the need keeps increasing the cost consideration is relative
So is the NUC energy,Imagine the situation that Oil Reaching $300
At some point of time (i don't know when? 20 years!!!)
At that point NUc can be comparable or even cheaper than Fossil fuel
So we need to look at our Energy basket and come out cost,and not just look at individually,It is very important for a nation to spread the energy basket for security
Even if you look power cost generation cost of Hydro is cheaper than fossil fuel
So the point is how diversified we are now and that gives us protection and flexibility
Regds
GV...
In reply to:
N DEAL
Posted by : novice1000
hi pkjatts,
It is not going to be good for economy neither in the long term nor in the interim period.
At a cost of Rs.15/- plus levels per one kwh, if 15000 MW of power generation is achieved in the next 15 years or so.. it will be 20 times bigger than an Enron.All dsitribution companies and transmission companies in India will bankrupt.
US is planning to spend 90 billion $ for the proposed dump to keep nuclear waste.Can India ever think of such huge expenses when 76 crore Indians are having an income lesser than 2$ per day?
regards
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