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kalidas,
rupee? read again.
1166 points fall...... it crossed 1166.
hope you have no arguments.....this is
space where we buy nifty and stocks only.
not silver and metal..
you are wrong..
you fail to judge........
thats all,
now stop.......
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SENSEX to rally by 2400 pts in 7 days
Posted by :
Kalidas
Reply to lalitdeshpandey
Excellent. I was waiting for this kind of misquoted and out-of-context post. In fact, it has been practice of some of the boarders to quote me out of context all the time, just to prove them right. Now, Let me reply you by point by point.
CUT & PASTE
Show me a single instance where I have been using :Cut & Paste" technology with specific dates so that I will know whether it was me who doing that act or some other
Let us go point by point:
Kalidas : Once the Obama and McCain show the approval, other Democrats and Republican will not bother to object. After President Bush speech today, there is more than 70% possibility that the bill may be passed before Sunday.(Forecast)
Fact: Both Obama and McCain both were non-committal before house rejected the motion. When Dow fell by 778 points, and Bush invited them to White House, they became more specific and decided to support the motion. Finally, in the second vote yesterday, the motion was passed. Let the readers judge.
Among the 2400 pts rally, I have narrated 8 points. Let me take Pont no. 8 first.
Point No.8
Kalidas : This scenario is possible only if the bill is passed. For any reason the bill is delayed, almost everything will work in reverse gear. Since everyone is losing money and want the market to go higher, they will want to know so called good news (which is sugar coated saccharine) to fuel the rally.
Fact: The SENSEX behaved exactly as mentioned. My call for 2400 pts was QUALIFIED if the scenario of passage of bill in the first instance - it did not happen
Following are the factual SENSEX figures:
3-Oct-08 Friday 12,526.32 (-529)
2-Oct-08 Thursday 12,526.32 (Market closed in India only)
1-Oct-08 Wednesday 13,055.67 (+195)
30-Sep-08 Tuesday 12,860.43 (+265)
29-Sep-08 Monday 12,595.75 (-507)
26-Sep-08 Friday.. 13,102.18 (-445)
25-Sep-08 Thursday 13,547.18 Base
(My post was at 10:02 India time or 12:30 HK time)
When the Paulson Plan was rejected, my forecast came to an end. Everything worked in reverse gear. I has also mentioned that -
Kalidas: Do not think that I am bullish on the market. This is sugar coated market for brave hearts. This is purely trading scenario – Investment climate is still worsening.
Other points:
1. Dow may rise by 1200 points in 2 or 3 days due to fierce rally in Index related financial shares
Kalidas: It did not, one day down by 778 points, second day up 485 pts. Financial shares rallied by over 20% and in some cases 70% in case of small regional banks
2. Gold may plummeted by 5% to 10%
Kalidas: Gold was $902 (25Sep) Now $ 828 (2 Oct) - down $74 (-8.20%)
3. Silver may plummet by 20%
Kalidas: Now $10.85 (3Oct) $13.40 (25 Sep) down 2.60 (-19.33%)
4. Oil may drop by 10% to 15%:
Kalidas: Now $93.88 (3 Oct) $111.54 (25 Sep) down 17.66 (-15.83%)
5. Commodities may also drop due to US$ rally
Kalidas: CRB Metal sub Index 403 (3Oct) was 425 (25Sep) - Down 22 or 5.17%
6. Euro will fall most- Yen least. Rupee will slide over 3%
Kalidas: EURO: 1.3767 (3Oct) was 1.47 (25Sep) down .0933 (-6.35%)
YEN : 105.32 (3Oct) was 106.5 (25Sep) up 1.18 (+1.1%)
RUPEE: 46.98 (3Oct) was 45.90 (25Sep-Opening) Down 1.08 (-2.35%)
7. World markets may rise. SENSEX may gain by 2400 points in less than 3 days. All index heavy weight may gain significantly. (This was subject to Point 8 immediately following, IF the budget was passed at first instance, which was voted out - that turned the sentiments negative)
NOW, coming to you losing and ruined by my posting, I can only say that you never believed it. You are just bluffing. In fact you mentioned as under:
QUOTE
I had posted my logic several times that even historic bull time has rarely shown such a rally in 7 days, BUT TO MY SUPRISE and TO THE SHAME OF MMB, all of my messages are deleted by you or your BLIND FOLLOWERS.
UNQUOTE
Kalidas, Hong Kong
4-10-2008 (Contd Part II) 
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TC,
Please do not call me SIR!
Regards,
...
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3600 gone , what NEXT ? 2755 or 4405?
Posted by : TrueCompanion
Sir,
Nifty 3300 looks likely. If somehow It breaches 3000 and touches 2600-2700, I am 80% confident the rebounce will be equally fierce with non stop flight to 5000 by current FY end.
Theory of probability seems to dictate index can not behave abnormally for a period of more than 6 months and Nifty 4200-4250 is inevitable in 6-8 months.
regards
TC
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Keep faith.... my country men..... I think we will survive just fine......
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WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000
Posted by : raj_tibs
2 down circuits and 3000 on Nifty tomorrow?.. lol (seriously!)
-r
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Apes have done better using dartboards than 79% analysts in the past :-) ANd they NEVER needed to commit suicide :-) Better become an APE, or an expert! So you deal only with "throwing darts" and, if an expert, "charging for it" :-) Better than throwing ones money behind the dart :-)...
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3600 gone , what NEXT ? 2755 or 4405?
Posted by :
Lalitdeshpandey
Dear Raj,
And 5 Th stage ???
probaly SUICIDE ?????
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Hi pradesh,
Arre buy anything, its like buy one, get two free. I have entered sugar - like renuka and triveni apart from other sectors.
lovemeall26...
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WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000
Posted by :
pradesh
Hi lovemeall,
Would you please tell us couple of stocks which one may buy now?
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nifty will fall like Russia one day, even less than 1% fall from Russia will do the trick. Russia had fallen 16%....
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WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000
Posted by : raj_tibs
2 down circuits and 3000 on Nifty tomorrow?.. lol (seriously!)
-r
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Global panic on markets as US bailout fails to stem credit crisis
A global tsunami of panic wiped nearly 8 per cent off the value of the FTSE 100 index today and hit other markets equally hard as investors decided that Friday`s $700 billion bank bailout would not be enough to ease the credit crisis.
The benchmark index on the London Stock Exchange closed at 4589.19, down 391.06, or 7.85 per cent fall, led by miners and banks. It was the third-worst percentage fall since the FTSE 100 was created in 1984.
Shares also plunged on Wall Street – the Dow Jones Industrial Average, which dropped below 10,000 for the first time in four years, was about 4 per cent down when trading closed in London - and across Western Europe.
In the emerging markets, however, it was nothing short of carnage. Russia`s RTS exchange suspended trading twice as prices dropped 19.10 per cent, the market`s worst ever one-day fall. Trading was also halted twice on Sao Paulo’s Ibovespa index after stocks sank 10 per cent and then another 5 per cent.
"There is all-out panic," said Adrian van Tiggelen, a senior strategist with ING bank in The Hague.
For policymakers and central bankers, it was a nightmare start to the week – little helped by the failure of EU leaders to agree on a European banking rescue scheme or even, it appeared, on a common strategy.
There was continued confusion as to the detail of Germany`s decision to guarantee all private bank deposits as Austria and Denmark broke ranks to follow suit and Spain threatening to do so if the EU did not take action.
Both Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling, the Chancellor, were working the phones. Mr Brown discussed the crisis with President Sarkozy of France this morning and was due to talk with Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor, later today to clarify Germany`s plans.
"In the last 24 hours, the Prime Minister and the Chancellor have been spending a lot of time on the phone. We continue to urge cooperation at an EU and international level," his spokesman said.
No stock was in positive territory on the UK benchmark index but banks were again among the biggest fallers. The Royal Bank of Scotland lost more than a fifth of its value, HBOS fell 19.8 per cent and Barclays shareholders saw almost 15 per cent wiped off the value of their holdings.
An emergency Commons statement from Mr Darling did nothing to calm City nerves – especially when it became apparent that he had nothing new to offer savers despite hinting at some "pretty big steps" yesterday.
As stocks fell, investors fled to government bonds and the relative safety of the Japanese yen, which gained 1.7 per cent against the dollar.
The euro was particularly hard hit by the failure of the leaders of Europe`s four biggest economies to agree on a co-ordinated bailout plan at a weekend summit, losing 1.2 per cent against the dollar and around 3 per cent against the yen.
"We are seeing an intensification of risk aversion overnight and the main beneficiaries are the yen and dollar," said Lee Hardman, a currency economist at Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi-UFJ.
"The market is in an extreme state of paralysis."
The markets were also in meltdown in Iceland, where foreign currency reserves have all but dried up because of the credit crunch.
The Icelandic crown lost a stunning 30 per cent of its value, following steep declines last week, as ministers worked on an emergency plan to save the banking system. All dealing in the shares of the country`s six major financial institutions were suspended.
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WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000
Posted by : sambala
HONG KONG (Reuters) - Asian stocks fell 2-3 percent on Monday, led by shares of exporters, after a hectic weekend in Europe as the financial crisis gathered steam there, knocking the euro to the lowest in a year.
Concerns about whether the $700 billion rescue plan, which was approved by the U.S. Congress last week, would be quickly implemented and whether it would be enough to shore up the economy left investors seeking safety in U.S. and Japanese government bonds and buying yen and Swiss francs.
Oil prices fell around $2 to just below $92 a barrel dragging down prices of metals and grains, on expectations damage from dysfunctional financial systems in developed economies would almost certainly push them closer to recessions.
"There`s just nothing positive out there. Figures are bad in the States, Europe`s bad, Japan`s bad and China`s probably slowing," said David Spry, research manager at broker FW Holst in Melbourne.
Japan`s Nikkei share average fell 2.5 percent to the lowest since October 2004. Sectors that derive their revenues mainly from exports, such as electrical equipment, machinery and auto makers, led the index lower.
The MSCI index of Asia-Pacific stocks outside Japan slid 2.1 percent to the lowest since June 2006.
South Korea`s KOSPI was down 2.9 percent, led by shares of Samsung Electronics Co Ltd and POSCO, the world`s fourth-largest steelmaker, the biggest drags.
Korea`s markets have been one of the hardest hit by a wholesale move by foreign investors away from perceived risk in Asia. The country`s growing current account deficit has turned off investors, and news local banks were having trouble securing foreign-currency loans added to negative sentiment on Asia`s fourth-largest economy.
"Although we are not expecting a banking crisis in Korea, the credit crunch is likely to be most severely felt in Korea among Asian economies given the highly leveraged Korean corporate and households," said Ashley Davies, currency strategist with UBS in Singapore.
The U.S. dollar shot up 3 percent against the won to the highest in more than six years.
The dollar has been the beneficiary of a move by institutions and investors to cut the amount of risk in their portfolio. As a result, the euro fell 0.9 percent to $1.3642 after earlier falling as low as $1.3610.
The euro was down 1.9 percent at 142.18 yen the lowest since May 2006.
Europe`s scattered response to the financial crisis enveloping the region also weighed on investors.
Germany gave blanket bank deposit guarantee on Sunday to prevent panic as officials clinched deals to rescue Germany`s Hypo Real Estate -- after an initial bailout failed -- and recapitalize two other European banks.
Divisions in how European leaders think best to approach the financial crisis were clearly on display. Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi said on Sunday that Italy would revive the idea of a common bank bailout fund at a meeting of finance ministers on Monday, only a day after the leaders of Europe`s four biggest economies -- Germany, France, Britain and Italy -- decided against a coordinated bank rescue.
The 10-year Japanese government bond future was up 0.5 point at 138.19, rising for a third day.
The yield on the 10-year U.S. Treasury note which moves in the opposite direction of the price, fell to 3.57 percent after earlier dropping to 3.52 percent, down from 3.60 percent late on Friday.
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Sir,
Nifty 3300 looks likely. If somehow It breaches 3000 and touches 2600-2700, I am 80% confident the rebounce will be equally fierce with non stop flight to 5000 by current FY end.
Theory of probability seems to dictate index can not behave abnormally for a period of more than 6 months and Nifty 4200-4250 is inevitable in 6-8 months.
regards
TC...
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3600 gone , what NEXT ? 2755 or 4405?
Posted by : raj_tibs
Step 1: Instal a dartboard
Step 2: Secure the darts safely in your hand
Step 3: Blindflod yourself real tight (mae sure not a single ray of light can reach you)
Step 4: Take a blind shot at the dartboard
Result: You will beat the median expert poll with a proability of 0.793 :-)
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Kotak sir,
I have heard that KAYAMT KA DIN AYEGA... I mean there can be a day of KAYAMAT. Nifty ke bare me one can tell that KAYAMANT KE MAHINE CHAL RAHE HAI .... I eman Kayamat is extended for days and weeks and month in case of melt down,instead of a day.Any idea about Bottom ??
thanks,
LALIT....
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How to Trade in such market?
Posted by : KotakInvestment
nifty Openes low since last few seccions and than finally gaining at least 200 points around. You can see High and Low of last 5 days.
strategy : One shall buy at lower levels formed in initial hours.
Today also Nifty High is around 4000 and low is around 3800. Buy around bottom formed in first few minutes and wait... you will have at least 150 points gain in Nifty only......
Nifty-Option Trading Strategy..
Our favourite CE-4800 Close on 17 sep was 1.70 and today it was opened 11.00 with top 14. My early trade took place @ 11.45 average!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
again I have bought same strike -Sept @ 00.70 paise. If I do not get single paise.. still I have gained 1500% profits in BTST.......Till Now.... and 900 % profits in just one day.
Treat Options as a lottery, either you lose total investment or you gain 500-1000 % profits.
Take risk and buy Option Nifty strike 4800@ 0.70 paise now and wait for the chance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is High Risk zone !!!!!!!! as I said!!!
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2 down circuits and 3000 on Nifty tomorrow?.. lol (seriously!)
-r...
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WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000
Posted by : pkjattking
AP
Russian stocks plunge by nearly 20 percent
Monday October 6, 12:38 pm ET
By Catrina Stewart, Associated Press Writer
Traders stunned as Russian stocks go into tailspin, lose nearly 20 percent
MOSCOW (AP) -- Russia`s leading stock markets suffered their biggest-ever one-day losses as shares went into free fall on the back of falling oil prices and deepening fears about the global economy despite the passage of a $700 billion U.S. bank bailout.
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Trading on MICEX -- the country`s largest index-- was shut down three times, closing down 18.6 percent to 752 points. The benchmark RTS -- where trading was halted twice -- crashed to its lowest point since August 2005, falling by 19.1 percent to 866.4 points.
"The mood is kind of disbelief. You`d think we would have gotten used to it by now," said Ron Smith, strategist at Moscow-based Alfa Bank. "Traders are just sitting there staring at the screens and going, `Wow.`"
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still a lot is left...as when bull run starts and if it is predicted at 1000..but it continues and run to 1300...so when bear market starts and if it is predicted at 3600 than it may cont. to run 2600.
you know the reosan well.you had sending messages about nifty to touch 3600. so you know the reason. add one more in that. our financial system is on the sdge to crack.you know that sub-prime in US was started in sept 07..and market started crash here after 5 months.
now in US and europe financial orgahisations had craked. so it is obviouse that indian financial org will crash may be within six months.
but we can`t know about it now. all are hidden.
better you watch finance minister body language and his face. that speaks everything. ...
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WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000
Posted by : hindlevernet
Hi boarders,
I am very thankful to you for all your messages compimenting
for accurate precition of Nifty hitting 3600.
I am also very grareful to you for making this thread so lively
and so active.
1. 108 prudent boarders tracking it
2. More than 2000 messages posted every month
3. Most active thread of MMB.
THANKS A MILLION BOARDERS, AGAIN AND AGAIN
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3600 prudent prediction was in 2005 or 2006 or 2007 or 2008. which year...
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WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000
Posted by : hindlevernet
Hi boarders,
I am very thankful to you for all your messages compimenting
for accurate precition of Nifty hitting 3600.
I am also very grareful to you for making this thread so lively
and so active.
1. 108 prudent boarders tracking it
2. More than 2000 messages posted every month
3. Most active thread of MMB.
THANKS A MILLION BOARDERS, AGAIN AND AGAIN
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Dear Raj,
And 5 Th stage ???
probaly SUICIDE ?????...
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3600 gone , what NEXT ? 2755 or 4405?
Posted by : raj_tibs
Step 1: Instal a dartboard
Step 2: Secure the darts safely in your hand
Step 3: Blindflod yourself real tight (mae sure not a single ray of light can reach you)
Step 4: Take a blind shot at the dartboard
Result: You will beat the median expert poll with a proability of 0.793 :-)
Tracked by: 108 Boarders
Hi boarders,
I am very thankful to you for all your messages compimenting
for accurate precition of Nifty hitting 3600.
I am also very grareful to you for making this thread so lively
and so active.
1. 108 prudent boarders tracking it
2. More than 2000 messages posted every month
3. Most active thread of MMB.
THANKS A MILLION BOARDERS, AGAIN AND AGAIN...
In reply to:
WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000
Posted by : hindlevernet
Hi sanjay,
Everything is possible. But nothing happens without
significant reason behind it.
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Anyway, It looks god story.
Few basics of Investing
A- profit Booking
B- stop Loss
C- Opportunity Cost
D- Hire expertised services if you have no knowledge.
Decide exit with desired profit as well as loss....
This lady is only LADY without any one in the worldto guide her??
Thats great......
Is it msg of the day ???
I love My INDIA...........
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What`s your survival strategy?
Posted by : latikav
Housewife Kamakshi Janardhan, 28, built a portfolio of software stocks in March 2007 when the going was good- inflation was benign, industrial growth was robust and the economy showed no signs of strain. Among the stocks she picked was Infosys Technologies, at Rs 2,010 per share. In September 2008, the stock is down to Rs 1,445, having touched a low of Rs 1,255 earlier, and her overall portfolio is down 25 per cent following the fall in stock prices. Janardhan had borrowed money to pay for a part of her portfolio. So, the falling market and interest payments were a double blow. But she`s unperturbed. "The markets will bounce back in a few months," she says.
Siddharth Bamare
The value of most asset classes has dipped in recent times. Even those who put their money into what many reckon to be a safe bet- debt instruments-have burnt their fingers. The real returns (nominal returns minus inflation) have been negative for a long time now. While inflation is hovering at more than 12 per cent, investors are making a maximum of 11 per cent on their debt funds. On the other hand, expenses have gone up, resulting in lower savings for the investor. Gold, too, has dropped from more than Rs 13,000 per 10 gm in mid-March 2008 to Rs 11,500 before recovering to Rs 13,000-levels in the last week of September (see page 186). Not surprisingly, many investors are being squeezed in this market. But you should use these tough times to consolidate your position. Experts see opportunity in the current bout of calamity. Here are a few strategies that will help set you up for the next wave.
Think long-term
The first thing a person playing the stock market should figure out is what he wants to be-an investor, trader or a speculator. "Unfortunately, most people are unable to make that distinction. When they want to be investors, they unwittingly end up being speculators," says Ashok Jainani, Head (Research), Khandwala Securities, Mumbai. Investors look for absolute returns from equity in a short time. But in the short-term, equity markets are volatile.
Don`t shun equities
Just because markets have tanked in recent months, and consumer goods inflation is ruling high, it does not mean the macroeconomic conditions will remain like this for long. "Inflation will cool off from now on," predicts Om Ahuja, Executive Vice President & Country Head (Investment Management), YES Bank. He expects the volatility to continue for another six-to-nine months, and reckons it is time investors looked at investing gradually. "Everyone should participate in equity irrespective of the market scenario," says Siddharth Bamare, Head (Investment Advisory), Angel Trade, Mumbai. Equity has, historically, delivered higher returns than any other asset class over the long term. "If you have knowledge and time, you can trade yourself. Otherwise, invest in mutual funds (MFs). In these volatile times, one should invest for 6-12 months in a systematic investment plan (SIP)," he suggests.
Ashok Jainani
Revamp your equity holdings
Bad times are a good time to rid yourself of dud stocks and concentrate on robust, profitable companies with growth potential. These growth stocks also take a beating in a falling market. But that should spell opportunity for long-term investors. Don`t worry about booking losses on your dud stocks as they might take a long time to move in a recovery. Solid growth stocks will be the first to move, but take a stock specific approach. Says Jainani: "Concentrate on large companies with strong businesses." Then, investors can diversity their funds across portfolios within and outside the country. "That will help spread the risk, away from just one country. It is equally important to keep watching futures and options (F&O) market, which one must approach from a hedging perspective," adds Bamare.
Try debt FMPs
Those unwilling to risk the markets have opportunities in Fixed Maturity Plans (FMPs). With interest rates shooting up, they can provide a higher allocation to such products. "Of course, an investor needs to ensure a good portfolio of underlying papers in the FMP. Liquid funds are a good option and tax-efficient, too," says Samir Bimal, Country Head, ING Private Banking, India. When markets swing wildly due to short-term events, investors must move into liquid funds, suggests Jainani. But Ahuja expects interest rates to come down over the next two-to-three quarters, and, therefore, feels that investors can consider parking their money in high-yielding deposits and debt instruments like FMPs, which can give them good yield for 12-13 months, and tax benefits, too. While they may not beat inflation, they will help reduce the losses. "The time has come for investors sitting on cash to deploy it in high yielding portfolio deposits and FMPs," says Ahuja.
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