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07 Jan 2009 09:09

Pak hackers plan attack on Indian cyber networks: Intel........After the Mumbai terror strikes, anti-India elements in Pakistan are now planning an attack on Indian computer networks, intelligence agencies have warned.

Already Pakistani hackers are trying out a dry run against Indian networks through popular websites registered there after the Mumbai terror strikes, Home Ministry sources said on Tuesday.

"Every time the relations between the two countries dampen, Pakistanis start attacking Indian computer networks and this has increased after the Mumbai terror attacks," a Home Ministry source said.

Pakistani hackers have created websites such as the songs.pk, which are infested with software to hack data from the targeted computers, it said.

"The website w ww.songs.pk has over 12 lakh Indian users who are downloading stuff from these websites daily," said a cyber expert in the Ministry.

With these websites being highly popular, it will take only a few minutes for the hackers to take command of over 12 lakh computers in few minutes and the number of such computers can multiply in every minute, sources said.

"Instead of the existing less harmful virus, new ones such as Botnet and Zoombie can be easily released into the Indian computers, which later on replicate and make the entire server vulnerable," the expert said.

"Now a days new virus and worms are detected while downloading songs from these websites, which could be just a dry run to manage a bigger attack," he said.

Government websites have been highly vulnerable to hacking and they have been intruded many times by the Pakistani hackers.

"Most of the time, these cases are not reported as the server is based in Pakistan and we cannot do anything in this regard," the expert said.

The anti-virus software, too, cannot work in such situation as the virus used in such cyber wars are usually new and the anti-virus software cannot identity and detect it, he said.

"If anti-virus software cannot identify the signature of the virus coming through Internet, it will not detect it and as a result the virus will be downloaded in the computer in spite of such software available in the network," the expert added.....

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Indo-Pak cyber war hots up

Posted by : morningdew

Who are our soldiers in the cyber war with Pakistan? Contrary to popular belief, the cyber war is not fought by hackers hired by the government but by software engineers loosely connected through anonymous chat severs who want to do “something for their country” in their own way and in their free time.The hackers who are fighting for any country are of three kinds: Black hats, white hats and grey hats. In cyber parlance, black hats are hackers whose professional lives are spent trying to attack other systems. White hats defend against attacks and the grey hat — not a professional hacker but they pursue it seriously as a hobby and out of patriotism.Globally, hackers not connected with the government machinery are known to supply intelligence to their governments. Like snipers on a tall building, computer hackers often act as cyber vanguards. Working in tandem with like-minded people worldwide, Indian and Pakistani hackers fight this silent battle round-the-clock. They keep tabs on each other’s possible vulnerabilities and send in worms, viruses and other malware once vulnerabilities are confirmed.

07 Jan 2009 08:41

Who are our soldiers in the cyber war with Pakistan? Contrary to popular belief, the cyber war is not fought by hackers hired by the government but by software engineers loosely connected through anonymous chat severs who want to do “something for their country” in their own way and in their free time.The hackers who are fighting for any country are of three kinds: Black hats, white hats and grey hats. In cyber parlance, black hats are hackers whose professional lives are spent trying to attack other systems. White hats defend against attacks and the grey hat — not a professional hacker but they pursue it seriously as a hobby and out of patriotism.Globally, hackers not connected with the government machinery are known to supply intelligence to their governments. Like snipers on a tall building, computer hackers often act as cyber vanguards. Working in tandem with like-minded people worldwide, Indian and Pakistani hackers fight this silent battle round-the-clock. They keep tabs on each other’s possible vulnerabilities and send in worms, viruses and other malware once vulnerabilities are confirmed....

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Indo-Pak cyber war hots up

Posted by : radhika_nandlal

So indians are proving to be the best paper tigers? lol lol

07 Jan 2009 08:32

So indians are proving to be the best paper tigers? lol lol...

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Indo-Pak cyber war hots up

Posted by : morningdew

India and Pakistan are fighting a silent war in cyberspace. In the last two weeks, hacker groups from the two countries have defaced each other’s websites, sent trojans (viruses) to government-operated ‘safe’ networks, and planted spyware in the bureaucracy’s email servers. To top it all, they have been constantly seeking assistance from neutral global groups to join their respective “team”.

According to sources within the hacking community, conflict on the Indo-Pak cyber front flared up when the website of Eastern Railway was hacked on December 24 by a Pakistani group. That was the time around which the India-Pakistan war rhetoric was reaching a crescendo. “Cyber war has been declared on Indian cyberspace by Whackerz- Pakistan,” a note posted on the hacked page of the railway website read. The group claimed that the site was hacked in response to the alleged violation of Pakistani airspace by the Indian Air Force.

This hacking incident followed a similar defacement of the website of the Criminal Investigation Department (CID) of the Andhra Pradesh police, which had been compromised by Pakistani hackers soon after the 26/11 strikes.

“The hackers removed the “most wanted” list from the CID website and replaced it with messages threatening us — their Indian cyber rivals. The website in question - w ww.cidap.gov. in — is still down, supposedly closed for maintenance,” a source in the Indian hacking community told DNA.

Soon after the attacks, an Indian group — Guards of Hindustan — hacked into the website of the Oil and Gas Regularity Authority of Pakistan and posted their logo and the Indian national emblem on it. In retaliation, the Pakistan Cyber Army, hacked the websites of the Indian Institute of Remote Sensing, the Centre for Transportation Research and Management, the Army’s Kendriya Vidyalaya of Ratlam and the Oil and Natural Gas Corporation (ONGC).

07 Jan 2009 08:27

India and Pakistan are fighting a silent war in cyberspace. In the last two weeks, hacker groups from the two countries have defaced each other’s websites, sent trojans (viruses) to government-operated ‘safe’ networks, and planted spyware in the bureaucracy’s email servers. To top it all, they have been constantly seeking assistance from neutral global groups to join their respective “team”.

According to sources within the hacking community, conflict on the Indo-Pak cyber front flared up when the website of Eastern Railway was hacked on December 24 by a Pakistani group. That was the time around which the India-Pakistan war rhetoric was reaching a crescendo. “Cyber war has been declared on Indian cyberspace by Whackerz- Pakistan,” a note posted on the hacked page of the railway website read. The group claimed that the site was hacked in response to the alleged violation of Pakistani airspace by the Indian Air Force.

This hacking incident followed a similar defacement of the website of the Criminal Investigation Department (CID) of the Andhra Pradesh police, which had been compromised by Pakistani hackers soon after the 26/11 strikes.

“The hackers removed the “most wanted” list from the CID website and replaced it with messages threatening us — their Indian cyber rivals. The website in question - w ww.cidap.gov. in — is still down, supposedly closed for maintenance,” a source in the Indian hacking community told DNA.

Soon after the attacks, an Indian group — Guards of Hindustan — hacked into the website of the Oil and Gas Regularity Authority of Pakistan and posted their logo and the Indian national emblem on it. In retaliation, the Pakistan Cyber Army, hacked the websites of the Indian Institute of Remote Sensing, the Centre for Transportation Research and Management, the Army’s Kendriya Vidyalaya of Ratlam and the Oil and Natural Gas Corporation (ONGC)....

07 Jan 2009 07:27

In a clear toughening of stance, India today squarely blamed ‘official agencies’ in Pakistan for supporting the terrorist operation in Mumbai. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh accused Islamabad of exporting cross-border terror into India.

The PM went on to describe Pakistan’s Government as “fragile” and “irresponsible”, and accused it of creating “war hysteria”.

Then, distinguishing between Pakistan-backed terror and other internal security threats to India such as left-wing extremism and insurgency in the North-east, the PM said, “Terrorism, on the other hand, is largely sponsored from outside our country, mainly Pakistan, which has utilized terrorism as an instrument of state policy”.

If the world ignores the pakistan behaviour over terrorism,pak can become international capital of terrorism.... unfortunately,as a neighbouring country india may have to face lot of problems....
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07 Jan 2009 06:40
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Alcoa Inc said on Tuesday it would slash more than 15,000 jobs, halve capital spending and sell four businesses as it reduces aluminum production in the face of the global economic downturn.


The largest U.S. aluminum producer said it imposed a global salary and hiring freeze as it seeks to cope with what Chief Executive Officer Klaus Kleinfeld called "extraordinary times."


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Job losses....

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The Federation of Indian Exports Organisation (FIEO) said there will be 10 million job losses in the export sector by March. Exports, it said, will continue to contract in December. Exports in 2008-09 are seen at USD 175-180 billion.

07 Jan 2009 02:37

-"The fact that they purchased the machine meant somebody had to make the machine. And when somebody makes a machine, it means there`s jobs at the machine-making place." - May 27, 2008, in Mesa, Ariz.

-"And they have no disregard for human life." - July 15, 2008, at the White House. Bush was referring to enemy fighters in Afghanistan.

- "I remember meeting a mother of a child who was abducted by the North Koreans right here in the Oval Office." - June 26, 2008, during a Rose Garden news briefing.

-"Throughout our history, the words of the Declaration have inspired immigrants from around the world to set sail to our shores. These immigrants have helped transform 13 small colonies into a great and growing nation of more than 300 people." - July 4, 2008 in Virginia.

- "This thaw - took a while to thaw, it`s going to take a while to unthaw." Oct. 20, 2008, in Alexandria, La., as he discussed the economy and frozen credit markets.


By The Associated Press


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President George W. Bush’s family cat, India,18, dies

Posted by : sambala

Bushisms: U.S. leader sets standard for mangled phrases during presidency

President George W. Bush will leave behind a legacy of Bushisms, the label stamped on the U.S. leaders original speaking style. Some of the president`s more notable malapropisms and mangled statements:


-"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." - September 2000, explaining his energy policies at an event in Michigan.


-"Rarely is the question asked, is our children learning?" - January 2000, during a campaign event in South Carolina.


-"They misunderestimated the compassion of our country. I think they misunderestimated the will and determination of the commander-in-chief, too." - Sept. 26, 2001, in Langley, Va. Bush was referring to the terrorists who carried out the Sept. 11 attacks.


-"There`s no doubt in my mind, not one doubt in my mind, that we will fail." - Oct. 4, 2001, in Washington. Bush was remarking on a back-to-work plan after the terrorist attacks.


- "It would be a mistake for the United States Senate to allow any kind of human cloning to come out of that chamber." - April 10, 2002, at the White House, as Bush urged Senate passage of a broad ban on cloning.


- "I want to thank the dozens of welfare-to-work stories, the actual examples of people who made the firm and solemn commitment to work hard to embetter themselves." - April 18, 2002, at the White House.


-"There`s an old saying in Tennessee - I know it`s in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can`t get fooled again." - Sept. 17, 2002, in Nashville, Tenn.


-"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." - Aug. 5, 2004, at the signing ceremony for a defence spending bill.


-"Too many good docs are getting out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren`t able to practice their love with women all across this country." - Sept. 6, 2004, at a rally in Poplar Bluff, Mo.


- "Our most abundant energy source is coal. We have enough coal to last for 250 years, yet coal also prevents an environmental challenge." - April 20, 2005, in Washington.


- "We look forward to hearing your vision, so we can more better do our job." - Sept. 20, 2005, in Gulfport, Miss.


-"I can`t wait to join you in the joy of welcoming neighbours back into neighbourhoods, and small businesses up and running, and cutting those ribbons that somebody is creating new jobs." - Sept. 5, 2005, when Bush met with residents of Poplarville, Miss., in the wake of hurricane Katrina.


-"It was not always a given that the United States and America would have a close relationship. After all, 60 years we were at war 60 years ago we were at war." - June 29, 2006, at the White House, where Bush met with Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi.


-"Make no mistake about it, I understand how tough it is, sir. I talk to families who die." - Dec. 7, 2006, in a joint appearance with British Prime Minister Tony Blair.


- "These are big achievements for this country, and the people of Bulgaria ought to be proud of the achievements that they have achieved." - June 11, 2007, in Sofia, Bulgaria.


- "Mr. Prime Minister, thank you for your introduction. Thank you for being such a fine host for the OPEC summit." - September 2007, in Sydney, Australia, where Bush was attending an APEC summit.

-"Thank you, Your Holiness. Awesome speech." April 16, 2008, at a ceremony welcoming Pope Benedict to the White House.

07 Jan 2009 02:36

Bushisms: U.S. leader sets standard for mangled phrases during presidency

President George W. Bush will leave behind a legacy of Bushisms, the label stamped on the U.S. leaders original speaking style. Some of the president`s more notable malapropisms and mangled statements:


-"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." - September 2000, explaining his energy policies at an event in Michigan.


-"Rarely is the question asked, is our children learning?" - January 2000, during a campaign event in South Carolina.


-"They misunderestimated the compassion of our country. I think they misunderestimated the will and determination of the commander-in-chief, too." - Sept. 26, 2001, in Langley, Va. Bush was referring to the terrorists who carried out the Sept. 11 attacks.


-"There`s no doubt in my mind, not one doubt in my mind, that we will fail." - Oct. 4, 2001, in Washington. Bush was remarking on a back-to-work plan after the terrorist attacks.


- "It would be a mistake for the United States Senate to allow any kind of human cloning to come out of that chamber." - April 10, 2002, at the White House, as Bush urged Senate passage of a broad ban on cloning.


- "I want to thank the dozens of welfare-to-work stories, the actual examples of people who made the firm and solemn commitment to work hard to embetter themselves." - April 18, 2002, at the White House.


-"There`s an old saying in Tennessee - I know it`s in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can`t get fooled again." - Sept. 17, 2002, in Nashville, Tenn.


-"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." - Aug. 5, 2004, at the signing ceremony for a defence spending bill.


-"Too many good docs are getting out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren`t able to practice their love with women all across this country." - Sept. 6, 2004, at a rally in Poplar Bluff, Mo.


- "Our most abundant energy source is coal. We have enough coal to last for 250 years, yet coal also prevents an environmental challenge." - April 20, 2005, in Washington.


- "We look forward to hearing your vision, so we can more better do our job." - Sept. 20, 2005, in Gulfport, Miss.


-"I can`t wait to join you in the joy of welcoming neighbours back into neighbourhoods, and small businesses up and running, and cutting those ribbons that somebody is creating new jobs." - Sept. 5, 2005, when Bush met with residents of Poplarville, Miss., in the wake of hurricane Katrina.


-"It was not always a given that the United States and America would have a close relationship. After all, 60 years we were at war 60 years ago we were at war." - June 29, 2006, at the White House, where Bush met with Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi.


-"Make no mistake about it, I understand how tough it is, sir. I talk to families who die." - Dec. 7, 2006, in a joint appearance with British Prime Minister Tony Blair.


- "These are big achievements for this country, and the people of Bulgaria ought to be proud of the achievements that they have achieved." - June 11, 2007, in Sofia, Bulgaria.


- "Mr. Prime Minister, thank you for your introduction. Thank you for being such a fine host for the OPEC summit." - September 2007, in Sydney, Australia, where Bush was attending an APEC summit.

-"Thank you, Your Holiness. Awesome speech." April 16, 2008, at a ceremony welcoming Pope Benedict to the White House.

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President George W. Bush’s family cat, India,18, dies

Posted by : sambala

Apple boss Steve Jobs has moved to calm nerves about his health - explaining that a hormone imbalance is behind a recent drop in weight.

The 53-year-old also reassured shareholders by insisting that he planned to stay on as chief executive of the technology group.

Mr Jobs released details of his illness in an open letter to the Apple community ahead of the Macworld convention in San Francisco.

His decision not to give the keynote speech at the annual gathering - for the first time in 11 years - had led to immediate speculation about his health.

The concerns coincided with a noticeable drop in his weight.

Mr Jobs said the situation had set off a "flurry of rumours, with some even publishing stories of me on my death bed".


Fortunately, after further testing, my doctors think they have found the cause - a hormone imbalance that has been `robbing` me of the proteins my body needs to be healthy.

"As many of you know, I have been losing weight throughout 2008," said Mr Jobs, who was operated on for pancreatic cancer in 2004 and looked extremely thin at his last public appearance.

"The reason has been a mystery to me and my doctors.

"A few weeks ago, I decided that getting to the root cause of this and reversing it needed to become my number one priority.

"Fortunately, after further testing, my doctors think they have found the cause - a hormone imbalance that has been `robbing` me of the proteins my body needs to be healthy.

"Sophisticated blood tests have confirmed this diagnosis.

"The remedy for this nutritional problem is relatively simple and straightforward, and I`ve already begun treatment."

"But, just like I didn`t lose this much weight and body mass in a week or a month, my doctors expect it will take me until late this spring to regain it."

He added: "I will continue as Apple`s CEO during my recovery."

The news saw Apple shares rise more than 3%.

Mr Jobs is co-founder of the California company which makes the iconic Mac computer, the iPhone and the iPod.

Born in San Francisco on February 24, 1955, he founded Apple with engineer Steve Wozniak after dropping out of college.

He left the company in 1985 after an internal power struggle but returned in 1996, and is credited with reversing Apple`s fortunes by launching the iPod and the iPhone.

06 Jan 2009 23:02
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Gossip good for sounding out ideas: Study
London (PTI): Those who believe gossip is nothing but idle talk or rumour think again, for a new study advises employers to use it to their advantage instead of fruitlessly seeking to stamp it out.

Gossip is believed to be one of the oldest and most common means of sharing facts and views. At every place, home, school, college and of course office, we find gossipers who spend quality time in talking about others which may be of no importance to them.

Researchers have now advised companies to harness water-cooler gossip to test business ideas as informal channels could prove the perfect environment to sound out ideas.

They point to the example of a Sydney-based recruitment agency`s managing director, who could not afford to award all staff a pay rise but was worried that only doing so for some could adversely affect morale.

Instead, he chose to ignite a rumour by informing a key aide that he was seeking to award some employees pay rises in return for their taking on more responsibility. The rumour spread rapidly and the workers proved so supportive that the notion was adopted as policy, the Daily Telegraph newspaper reported today.

Grant Michelson, the research director at Audencia Nantes Business School in France who has written a book about gossip in the workplace, suggests that employers should use it to their advantage.

However, Michelson cautioned that it was important to chose the right person to spread your message.

"They have to be a subordinate who you have built up some trust [with], either through social or professional activities. But they can`t be so far below you in the pecking order that such easy exchanges would be unlikely," Michelson was quoted as saying by the British daily.

"It doesn`t mean you should take action on every bit of information you hear but if it`s from a reliable source, it is probably worth listening to," he said.

However, rumours about job losses and change can also have negative impact in the current uncertain times, and employers should seek to ensure they manage them well, said Mike Emmott, adviser on employee relations at the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development.

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10m to lose jobs by March in export units

NEW DELHI: Ten million people in the export sector will be out of job by March this year, as Indian goods find fewer buyers in the international market which is battling the worst crisis since 1929.

"There will be 10m job losses by March," Federation of Indian Export Organisations (FIEO) President A Sakthivel told reporters today.

Indian exports, which account for just about 20% of the country`s Gross Domestic Product, are a highly labour-intensive activity, employing 150m people.

The country`s exports, which posted a robust 30.9% growth rate in the first half of fiscal, contracted by 12.1% in October, for the first time in the last five years. The negative trend continued in November, when exports fell to $11.5bn from $12.7bn. The data for December are yet to be released.

"I can safely say that negative growth trends will continue in December and in the next couple of months... I hope we will end the fiscal with exports of about $175-180bn," Sakthivel said.

FIEO yesterday said there was no "serious consideration" for exporters in the measures announced by the government last week.

The target for the current fiscal is $200bn while exports totalled about $160bn in 2007-08.

Europe and North America, which account for 37% of India`s merchandise exports, are reeling under recession and slowdown.

The FIEO chief said he did not see positive trends before the fourth quarter of the calendar 2009, "though a complete U-turn may take a little longer", he said.





06 Jan 2009 22:42
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10m to lose jobs by March in export units

NEW DELHI: Ten million people in the export sector will be out of job by March this year, as Indian goods find fewer buyers in the international market which is battling the worst crisis since 1929.

"There will be 10m job losses by March," Federation of Indian Export Organisations (FIEO) President A Sakthivel told reporters today.

Indian exports, which account for just about 20% of the country`s Gross Domestic Product, are a highly labour-intensive activity, employing 150m people.

The country`s exports, which posted a robust 30.9% growth rate in the first half of fiscal, contracted by 12.1% in October, for the first time in the last five years. The negative trend continued in November, when exports fell to $11.5bn from $12.7bn. The data for December are yet to be released.

"I can safely say that negative growth trends will continue in December and in the next couple of months... I hope we will end the fiscal with exports of about $175-180bn," Sakthivel said.

FIEO yesterday said there was no "serious consideration" for exporters in the measures announced by the government last week.

The target for the current fiscal is $200bn while exports totalled about $160bn in 2007-08.

Europe and North America, which account for 37% of India`s merchandise exports, are reeling under recession and slowdown.

The FIEO chief said he did not see positive trends before the fourth quarter of the calendar 2009, "though a complete U-turn may take a little longer", he said.





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Job losses....

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Job losses would be temporary: Montek Ahluwalia


New Delhi: The government on Friday said the current economic situation could lead to some job losses, but these would only be temporary with economy poised to grow at seven per cent this fiscal.

"Certainly in sectors that are badly affected, if we are not able to completely counter the effect of recession, there may be some job losses. We hope they will be temporary," Planning Commission Deputy Chairman Montek Singh Ahluwalia told reporters while briefing on the stimulus package.

He said the idea behind this package is to ensure that economy does not slow down too much.

Ahluwalia said the economy is expected to grow at seven per cent this fiscal and that will be a good performance.

"So, when I say that this package will hopefully generate a growth rate of seven per cent, that is a growth rate that is certainly consistent with the total number of jobs in the economy increasing," he said.

The Planning Commission Deputy Chairman, however, said it is not possible to completely counter the impact of an external slowdown.

"But with this package what we are doing is minimising the pain on that score," he added.

06 Jan 2009 20:51

Typos sourav,

I meant one woman man of course!...

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Beautiful Bangalore!!

Posted by : radhika_nandlal

Shortly Mercedes Benz Buses will be seen plying on Bangalore Roads thanks to Yedi`s initiative to an aesthetic bangalore.

He also has introduced a new garbage collection program. Now a garbage van comes to our doorsteps to collect garbage. This has been deployed for every localty i suppose. The driver is spotted hooting at the top of his voice inspite of a loudspeaker lol about how its important to dispose our garbage in a hygeinic way in plastic bags and to place them outside the doorstep. The guy jumps out of the tempo and tosses the garbage bags from each doorstep onto his minitruck.. WOW... The rural folks look at this with a smile on their face, wondering why garbage collection should be so hyped. :)

Coming back to Bangalore transportation, until now we saw Volvo buses replacing the local buses in Bangalore. Now we will have mercedes Benz buses replacing the rest of the local fleet.. Way to go... Bangalore is a treat for the eyes in more ways than one... the significant one being the bevy of beauties in Bangalore but souravkandu has no eyes for more than one beauty here!! He is a one man woman... LOL

06 Jan 2009 20:50

Shortly Mercedes Benz Buses will be seen plying on Bangalore Roads thanks to Yedi`s initiative to an aesthetic bangalore.

He also has introduced a new garbage collection program. Now a garbage van comes to our doorsteps to collect garbage. This has been deployed for every localty i suppose. The driver is spotted hooting at the top of his voice inspite of a loudspeaker lol about how its important to dispose our garbage in a hygeinic way in plastic bags and to place them outside the doorstep. The guy jumps out of the tempo and tosses the garbage bags from each doorstep onto his minitruck.. WOW... The rural folks look at this with a smile on their face, wondering why garbage collection should be so hyped. :)

Coming back to Bangalore transportation, until now we saw Volvo buses replacing the local buses in Bangalore. Now we will have mercedes Benz buses replacing the rest of the local fleet.. Way to go... Bangalore is a treat for the eyes in more ways than one... the significant one being the bevy of beauties in Bangalore but souravkandu has no eyes for more than one beauty here!! He is a one man woman... LOL...

06 Jan 2009 20:47

The Dangers Of An
India-Pakistan War
By Lord Stirling
12-27-8

A war could easily escalate from a Indian `limited non-nuclear surgical strike` into a all out nuclear war targeting not only enemy military sites but also enemy population centers.

A review of Indian and Pakistani weapons of mass destruction and delivery systems shows just how scary the Indian subcontinent is at this present time.

Pakistan`s nuclear weapon program dates back to at least 1974 and is very advanced, although not as advanced as larger and richer India`s is

Pakistan uses both highly enriched uranium and plutonium for its nuclear weapons. The Khushab nuclear site has sufficient plutonium production for 40 to 50 warheads a year by itself. This site is coming on line and is a major expansion of Pakistani plutonium reprocessing capabilities; a fact that concerns a number of nations including America, India, and Israel. In 2000, US military intelligence reportedly estimated Pakistani nuclear weapons at approximately 100 in number. A number of 200 in late 2008/early 2009 is very probable.


The Pakistani strategic capable missiles include the following: the Hatf-X (also called Tipu), 4000 km + range (new, unknown number in service); the M-11, 300 km range (new, unknown number in service); the Hatf-VIII (also called Ra`ad), an air launched cruise missile (new, unknown number in service); the Hatf-VII (also called Babur), a naval submarine launched and surface launched and ground launched cruise missile, 700 km range (up to 1,000 in service); the Hatf-VI (also called the Shaheen-II), 2500 km + range (over 200 in service); the Hatf-VA (also called the Ghauri-II), 2400 km + range (over 100 in service); the Hatf-V (Ghauri-I), up to 1500 km range (approximately 300 in service); the Hatf-VI (Shaheen-I), 750 km range (150 or so in service) the Hatf-III (Ghaznavi), 290 km range (100+ in service); Hatf-I and IA, up to 100 km range (over 100 in service).

The Pakistani Air Force has the following aircraft types capable of delivering nuclear warheads, as well as a full range of NBC/advanced conventional/conventional weapons: The Chinese A-5s, JF-17s (FC-1), J-10s; the French Mirage IIIs and Vs; the American F-16s.

India`s first nuclear weapons test occurred on May 18, 1974. Numbers of actual Indian nuclear weapons vary but assembled weapons are thought to be in the low hundreds with India having perhaps 4200 kg of reactor grade plutonium - enough to build 1000 additional nuclear weapons.

The Indian strategic delivery systems are extensive and include land based IRBMs and cruise missiles (with true ICBMs under development), sea based surface and submarine launched cruise missiles and naval air launched weapons from Indian aircraft carriers, and air launched missiles and bombs.

Indian ballistic missiles include: Prithvi I, Army version with 150 km range and in-flight maneuvering capabilities; Prithvi II, Air Force version with 250 km range; Prithvi III Navy version with 350 km range; the Agni missile family (Agni I, II, III, IISL and the coming V ICBM version) with ranges up to 5000 km. The Agni family of missiles have demonstrated an advanced maneuvering warhead (endo-atmospheric evasive maneuvers, terminal guidance reentry vehicles).

Indian cruse missiles include the: Russian 3M-54 Klub, 250-300 km range with subsonic to Mach 2.9 speeds,; the Israeli Popeye, the Russian P-70 Ametist; the very dangerous Russian Moskit (also called Sunburn). Additionally, the Indian Akash air defense SAM can use nuclear warheads.

The Indian Navy is one of the most powerful navies on earth with nuclear submarines, aircraft carriers and a wide assortment of quality surface and subsurface vessels.

India is one of only four nations (including the USA, Russia, and China) still flying long range nuclear strategic bombers with 17 in service including the Tupolev Tu-142 (naval version of the Tu-95 Bear bomber), the Tupolev Tu-22M3 "Backfire", and the II-38. Fighter jets capable of nuclear missions include the advanced Russian Sukhoi Su-30MKI, the Mig-27M, the Mig-29 and Mig-29K (Indian Naval version), the French Dassault Mirage 2000, the French-British Jaguar, and the Indian HAL Tejas.

Global Effects of a regional India-Pakistan War: A nuclear war involving the use of only 50 Hiroshima-sized weapons could cause a "Nuclear Winter" over large areas of North America and Eurasia with catastrophic climatic effects for years. The `Proceedings of the National Academy of Science` in 2008 published a study that found a war including a nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan could create a near-global ozone hole with column ozone losses at over 20% globally, 25-45% at mid-latitudes and 50-70% at northern high latitudes persisting for five years with continuing substantial losses for five additional years.



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06 Jan 2009 20:33

I fully agree with you after long a voice of reason and commonsense
FOR ALL THE SOFA-RAMBOS WHO ADVOCATE WAR heres something to think about 3w.rensedotcom/general84/dangrr.htm
The author ofthis article is an american worried about the effects of war ON AMERICA ANDTHE WORLD AT LARGE IF HEIS WORRIED IMAGINE OUR PLIGHT
Ill post the article sperately as its large

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ISI plans `Islamic Republic of Pakistan` by 2020 in India

Posted by : tally

The absurd thinking can only emanate from semi illiterate fundamentalist groups. It is possible that to motivate such group of people ISI HAS FLOATED THIS IDEA. We must understand that Pakistan suffers from many diabolic complexities. We may sum up as follows:-
1) It lacks strategic depth and thinking.
2)There has been a power struggle between civilians and military thereby preventing the leadership from assessing national aims to improve its economy from long term basis. It has survived on help from USA, but as and when the interest divergence takes place, Pakistan will suffer greatly. Many right thinking Pakistanis have understood and articulated the co-existence in peace and harmony.
3)India has gone far ahead of Pakistan in almost every field and it will remain a pipe dream of Pakistani strategists to destabilize India . Yes IT MAY HELP PAK MILITARY ESTABLISHMENT IN POWER-POLITICS.
4) Fundamentalist / Terrorist groups are causing some damage not only in India or some other parts of the world but are harming PAKISTAN TO A VERY GREAT DEGREE.
5) Hot head Hindu groups want war more to avenge their shame of Muslim rule than for any strategic reasons. Also they have a limited world view, which prevents them from understanding or they are also indulging in game of power-politics.
To SUM UP, PAKISTAN LACKS STRATEGIC APPROACH to deal with situation and if not be able to contain terrorist groups; its survival will be in great jeopardy. India just needs to keep mounting international pressure, keep threat of military action alive and beef up internal security. Hindu fundamentalist groups should be sidelined. This MUST NOT BE CONSTRUED AS IF I AM PER SE AGAINST BJP, But against the undue influence of extreme Hindu groups detriment to Indian interests. AS a matter of fact I have reasonable confidence in top rug leadership of BJP. Let people decide in next elections. ALSO LET US INDULGE IN STRONG NATIONAL BUILDING AND FORGET ABOUT RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY. Pakistan will pay heavy price if it is unable to take corrective action.

06 Jan 2009 20:20

Posted by : K.N.Pillai16968
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Can you be anywhere near in the near future? Doubt....

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Posted by : jackeshmurpana

how much i will wait to see the sensex @ 21000 is near term or it will be long term

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