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However, on the other hand, bringing all the existing agencies under a single roof could, in a way, mean adding another layer of bureaucracy. I`m in two minds -- because when the HS was formed it was supposed to be an organization where everything was coordinated. It was meant to rally together the separate agencies in the US -- and there were many: The Armed Forces -- the Army, Marine, Navy, the Defense Intelligence Agency, a military organisation, and the NSA military spying agency, the CIA and the FBI. We had so many receptacles for information but no cooperation among ourselves.
Right now, fingers are pointing towards Pakistan. Is this simply a knee-jerk, emotional reaction one can expect from India at this time?
I have spent an extensive amount of time in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. And the one thing I have learnt is that all terrorism is, to some extent, state-sponsored. Let’s be frank. Nearly all terrorist attempts in India can said to have been sponsored by Pakistan. Take Lashkar-e-Toiba, the child of the ISI that continues to be supported by them. You just can’t separate terrorist attacks in India from Jihadi outfits in Pakistan. Many who were banned under the Musharraf regime have simply renamed themselves and continued to operate and be supported by the ISI.
The current Pakistani government knows that the ISI is a state within the state. Look at the number of ISI chiefs who turn out to be zealous Islamists after they retire. The raison d’etre of the Pakistan military depends on India’s image as an enemy. Because, without it, how do you justify spending 40% of the country`s income on the military?
And I’m not sure if America has recognized that Pakistan today is not a state with a military but a military with a state. Personally, I thought America’s policy with Musharraf was misguided – Washington thinks Pakistan is a strategic ally. We don`t understand that actually we may be losing Afghanistan because of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia’s support for extremists. We know the ISI is behind the bombing of Indian embassy in Kabul. If they can attack the sovereign territory of a neighbor, why would it come as a surprise if they chose to attack India’s business centre? For some reason there is this pervasive belief that if you don`t speak of evil it will go away. The fact is, it won’t. And the time has come to put Pakistan on notice.
The other fascinating thing is the Dawood connection - another example of the state sponsoring terrorism. We know Dawood is protected and given refuge and allowed to operate his criminal empire by the ISI and now it looks like he could be one of the guys involved in this. So you have a possible organized crime and terror nexus – who made that possible?
India’s government needs to wake up to what’s happening and what’s coming down the pipe. There are terrorist incidents in India every one or two months, which are really disruptive. How long can you tolerate that?
Shloka Nath is a senior features writer at the new business magazine to be launched by Network18 in alliance with Forbes, USA.
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Time to put Pak on notice: US security expert
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Uncomfortable questions are being asked about how India`s intelligence failed to detect the plan for Mumbai attacks. US security expert Alex Alexiev blames it on India`s poor grasp of terror dynamics and lack of coordination between various agencies.
Alexiev is the vice president for research at Center for Security Policy, Washington DC and has directed several research projects for the US Defense Department. His present research focuses on issues related to Islamic extremism and terrorism. In a telephone interview to Network18 from his home in California, he tells Shloka Nath that the time has come to put Pakistan on notice.
What do you think is the reason behind the Mumbai attacks?
What happened in Mumbai didn’t come as a surprise. Actually, the reason the attacks took place was because India had not bothered to understand the basics of what was happening. There is a deeper malignancy at work here and we are at war with a radical totalitarian interpretation of Islam. With every passing year since the 9/11 incident, the world situation has only got worse – not better. India is a good example of the deteriorating effects of terrorism. India is not willing to accept that there are harmful sects within its own borders which are supported by Pakistan.
The last time I was in India, I was shocked to hear Government officials at a conference on security in India. They stood up and said there has never been an Indian Muslim who was a terrorist. Most might be peaceful but a lot are not. There is certainly radicalization in India and it’s a problem that needs to be addressed.
What lessons can India learn from the way America stepped up its security after 9/11?
We have done better than India in stopping attacks. But, in India, there is very little active coordination and sharing of information between different organizations. India today is what the USA was before 9/11 when the FBI and CIA did not even talk to each other. The lack of coordination has to be looked into.
The other thing is poor equipment. The police sent to confront the terrorists had ordinary handguns while the terrorists were better armed. You need to spend whatever money necessary to give your police the right tools so they can deal with all kinds of situations effectively. A well-known police chief of New York City -- William Bratton – says all terrorism is local because ultimately, when it happens, it’s local. It’s on your shores. The police are the first line of deterrence rather than the last. But the police in India are almost like a marginal factor in counter terrorism. It’s the police who know the locals and the neighborhoods and there has to be some level of effective local intelligence.
One of the positive steps we have taken in the US has been to set up terrorism intelligence centers where various agencies of government and local police work side by side. For example, in Los Angeles, you have the FBI, CIA, LA police and various other agencies like the fire department and the airport police all working together. They are intelligence fusion centers, if you will, and are functioning in several other large cities. These professionals sit in the same office, the same department and they become colleagues as opposed to different competing departments. In India, they need to cooperate closely and make sure that no lead goes cold.
Think of the economic damage done by shutting down Mumbai for a day or two -- the billions of dollars lost. The cost of effective policing is actually a very good economic investment. You need to train your police force the best way you can.
India’s Prime Minister is thinking of a crime-fighting agency along the lines of America’s Homeland Security model. What are the benefits and disadvantages in implementing such a framework?
The USA`s Department of Homeland Security consolidates 22 agencies and 18,000 employees. It unifies the fragmented federal functions into a single agency dedicated to protecting America from terrorism. But the issue about a Homeland Security (HS) system is that it cuts both ways. Due to a complete lack of cooperation between intelligence agencies it is good to have one place where they can exchange views. Under the HS, there is a Joint Terrorism Task Force, a place at the Federal level where representatives of CIA, FBI and all others sit together and work like the city-level fusion centers I just mentioned. That is very good.
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chemkiron,very sad,i wonder how these people can do all this harm,do they not feel any thing? killing men women childern without any remorse?i had been watching tv and reading reports since last three days.
I did not sleep for two days,and my head was heavy like,I have high BP problem,but every thing was under control since i take tablet every day.
I just now came from Doctor,by BP has gone up to 100/170 ,
even while suffering loss in share market,i did not fell that bad....
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Senior Captain Thomas Verghese :
48 year old Senior Captain Thomas Verghese was on duty at Taj on that fateful day. Being a senior captain, it was his duty to take guests to safety. From TV he understood that terrorists were occupying 6th floor. So he started escorting guests in first 5 floors. He safely escorted 20 guests. When this operation was over he told his co-worker that he wants to ensure that everybody was moved out. He went up but one terrorist came down. He was shot at which hit his legs. But without fear he started throwing nearby plates. Terrorist pumped two bullets on him which killed him.
Thomas Verghese, though a keralite christian, was a Shivsainik.
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one person compulsory join in army from every politician....
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Uncomfortable questions are being asked about how India`s intelligence failed to detect the plan for Mumbai attacks. US security expert Alex Alexiev blames it on India`s poor grasp of terror dynamics and lack of coordination between various agencies.
Alexiev is the vice president for research at Center for Security Policy, Washington DC and has directed several research projects for the US Defense Department. His present research focuses on issues related to Islamic extremism and terrorism. In a telephone interview to Network18 from his home in California, he tells Shloka Nath that the time has come to put Pakistan on notice.
What do you think is the reason behind the Mumbai attacks?
What happened in Mumbai didn’t come as a surprise. Actually, the reason the attacks took place was because India had not bothered to understand the basics of what was happening. There is a deeper malignancy at work here and we are at war with a radical totalitarian interpretation of Islam. With every passing year since the 9/11 incident, the world situation has only got worse – not better. India is a good example of the deteriorating effects of terrorism. India is not willing to accept that there are harmful sects within its own borders which are supported by Pakistan.
The last time I was in India, I was shocked to hear Government officials at a conference on security in India. They stood up and said there has never been an Indian Muslim who was a terrorist. Most might be peaceful but a lot are not. There is certainly radicalization in India and it’s a problem that needs to be addressed.
What lessons can India learn from the way America stepped up its security after 9/11?
We have done better than India in stopping attacks. But, in India, there is very little active coordination and sharing of information between different organizations. India today is what the USA was before 9/11 when the FBI and CIA did not even talk to each other. The lack of coordination has to be looked into.
The other thing is poor equipment. The police sent to confront the terrorists had ordinary handguns while the terrorists were better armed. You need to spend whatever money necessary to give your police the right tools so they can deal with all kinds of situations effectively. A well-known police chief of New York City -- William Bratton – says all terrorism is local because ultimately, when it happens, it’s local. It’s on your shores. The police are the first line of deterrence rather than the last. But the police in India are almost like a marginal factor in counter terrorism. It’s the police who know the locals and the neighborhoods and there has to be some level of effective local intelligence.
One of the positive steps we have taken in the US has been to set up terrorism intelligence centers where various agencies of government and local police work side by side. For example, in Los Angeles, you have the FBI, CIA, LA police and various other agencies like the fire department and the airport police all working together. They are intelligence fusion centers, if you will, and are functioning in several other large cities. These professionals sit in the same office, the same department and they become colleagues as opposed to different competing departments. In India, they need to cooperate closely and make sure that no lead goes cold.
Think of the economic damage done by shutting down Mumbai for a day or two -- the billions of dollars lost. The cost of effective policing is actually a very good economic investment. You need to train your police force the best way you can.
India’s Prime Minister is thinking of a crime-fighting agency along the lines of America’s Homeland Security model. What are the benefits and disadvantages in implementing such a framework?
The USA`s Department of Homeland Security consolidates 22 agencies and 18,000 employees. It unifies the fragmented federal functions into a single agency dedicated to protecting America from terrorism. But the issue about a Homeland Security (HS) system is that it cuts both ways. Due to a complete lack of cooperation between intelligence agencies it is good to have one place where they can exchange views. Under the HS, there is a Joint Terrorism Task Force, a place at the Federal level where representatives of CIA, FBI and all others sit together and work like the city-level fusion centers I just mentioned. That is very good.
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Pakistan had always been at the centre of suspicion, whenever some terror strike took place in the region. The satellites have at different times taken snaps of functions training camps on Pak and PoK soil. To add to that their western boundary with Afghanistan is a permeable source of exchanging weapons, ammunitions and militants alike. Pakistan in nutshell has become hub of terror planning and its execution on the targets of their choice. Suitable action by India and whole affected global community, is just what is needed at present or else who knows how bigger their next strike could be ?
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India should snap all cricketing ties with Pak
Posted by : Anne
After the terrorist attacks India should snap all cricketing ties with Pakistan. Do not allow any parkistani to enter india in the guise of watching cricket many parkistani come to indian and just dissappeare without any trace. I am sure terrorist also take take full advantage of the game send their opperatine to india
SNAP ALL TIES WITH PARKISTAN
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India should have proper check on the borders of the country for those who enter and going back. What is said is probably correct. Many who enter from Pakisthan and Bangladesh are not going back and they somehow manage to get a Ration cad here with the help of the local politicians who eye on their votes and stay back and then do all sorts of antinational activities.Beware of them....
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India should snap all cricketing ties with Pak
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After the terrorist attacks India should snap all cricketing ties with Pakistan. Do not allow any parkistani to enter india in the guise of watching cricket many parkistani come to indian and just dissappeare without any trace. I am sure terrorist also take take full advantage of the game send their opperatine to india
SNAP ALL TIES WITH PARKISTAN
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Rakesh Maria said,"We suspect there could be local assistants but it is subject to verification. It will be very premature to comment on this at this stage as our investigations is going on.``
Kasab has told police that they were sent with a specific mission of targeting Israelis to avenge atrocities on Palestinians. This was why they targetted Nariman House, a complex meant for Israelis. Sources said Kasab`s colleagues killed in the operation had stayed in Nariman House earlier.
"They have stayed in Nariman house on rental basis identifying themselves as Malaysian students.`` said a source. Police are trying to find out how Nariman House rooms were given to non-Jews. Police has taken all the records books of for verification. The second target was the CST railway station because casualties would be high.
Crime branch has also recovered several fake identity and credit cards from the belongings of dead terrorists. "All the cards are in different names and of different banks. Now we are at least trying to figure out how they procured credit cards from various banks.`` said Maria. The recovery of so many cards with different names have led Mumbai police to suspect the involvement of ISI.
Though Maria maintained only 10 terrorists had sneaked in, the two blasts in taxis in Wadi Bunder and Vile Parle have led the police to believe there could be possibility of the presence of another two or more terrorists in the city. ...
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Mumbai locals helped us, terrorist tells cops
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who are the people who helped them ?its been 4 days since the operation got over why hasnt any local accomplice been arrested ?
and just what were the terrorists doing in Nariman house before the attacks ?why was a jewish house hosting malaysian students
Source Times of India 30-11-08
timesofindia. indiatimes. com/Mumbai_locals_helped_us_terrorist_tells_cops/articleshow/3774106.cms#
MUMBAI Did some Mumbai locals provide support to the Pakistani terrorists? Azam Amir Kasab, the only Pakistani terrorist nabbed alive, has revealed names and addresses of at least five people from the city who helped the terror operation.
Sources said that help like, providing shelter, taking them around and showing places, passing information on police stations and nakabandhis were given by these locals. Joint commissioner of police (crime) Rakesh Maria said,
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There is nothing called system failure and only system failure is human failure only. If system failed it is the human beings who made the system are responsible fo the failure. If there is any failure from anybody`s part or any lacuna in the operation of the system the concerned responsble people should be made accountable and answerable. They should be sacked and brought in front of the law for failure of duty and put behind bars if they found lacking in anything in the discahrge of their responsibilities.Unless those who are in responsible positions feels reponsible nothing can be done. It should be made done without any compromise....
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Navy chief admits to intelligence failure
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In a startling admission, the Indian Navy says the Coast Guard had intelligence about the boat that brought the terrorists to Mumbai.
The fishing trawler hijacked and used by the terrorists was intercepted by the Coast Guard in Indian territorial waters.
But the Coast Guard let the boat go after finding its documents in order.
Navy Chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta said that the Coast Guard was made aware of a possible sea attack and that ships had been deployed off Gujarat coast.
He also admitted lacunae existed in coastal security and intelligence sharing, and that better coordination was needed among the security and intelligence agencies.
But he also said the systemic failure that was brought about by Mumbai terror attacks needed to be taken stock of, says Navy chief as no actionable intelligence inputs were provided
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who are the people who helped them ?its been 4 days since the operation got over why hasnt any local accomplice been arrested ?
and just what were the terrorists doing in Nariman house before the attacks ?why was a jewish house hosting malaysian students
Source Times of India 30-11-08
timesofindia. indiatimes. com/Mumbai_locals_helped_us_terrorist_tells_cops/articleshow/3774106.cms#
MUMBAI Did some Mumbai locals provide support to the Pakistani terrorists? Azam Amir Kasab, the only Pakistani terrorist nabbed alive, has revealed names and addresses of at least five people from the city who helped the terror operation.
Sources said that help like, providing shelter, taking them around and showing places, passing information on police stations and nakabandhis were given by these locals. Joint commissioner of police (crime) Rakesh Maria said,...
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After the terrorist attacks India should snap all cricketing ties with Pakistan. Do not allow any parkistani to enter india in the guise of watching cricket many parkistani come to indian and just dissappeare without any trace. I am sure terrorist also take take full advantage of the game send their opperatine to india
SNAP ALL TIES WITH PARKISTAN
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Big brother is watching you ......
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Hey radhika.....I think umpteen times in this board I told that I won`t see Caste,Creed and Religion for showing love..... Love means touching the soul and not the body.....Soul has no religion..........
However if my parents did not like my marriage I won`t marry cause they are the persons who showed me this world and I will respect their sentiments.....I would try my level best to convince them...Rgds
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MUMBAI: The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) registered a case in connection with the audacious Mumbai serial attack that left over 180
people, including six Americans, dead and are helping Indian investigators in cracking codes of Internet telephony used by terrorists of Lashker-e-Taiba.
The FBI team, accompanied by investigators from Scotland Yard, are camping in Mumbai for the last two days collecting information. They are also assisting the Internet telephony signatures intercepted by Indian intelligence agencies when militants were receiving calls from their Lashkar handlers from across the border.
The FBI team, which came here on Sunday, was attempting to decode the Internet telephony.
As per the US laws, the FBI has to probe the death of any American citizen outside of the US and later submit a charge sheet.
In this case, it sought the interrogation report of Mohammad Ajmal Amir Iman who was arrested by police on November 26 from Chowpatty area.
The FBI was trying to ascertain the origin of the mail and how many times it was opened in Pakistan.
The deciphered packets of the satellite conversation between the militants and their handlers, and the air length frequency waves used for conversing on Internet were also being examined.
The militants used to receive calls from the Voice Over Internet protocol (VOIP) from Pakistan and the FBI, along with the Indian intelligence agencies, was trying to break the code to see when the calls started coming in on the phone besides ascertaining the instruments` previous locations.
This is probably the second case after the infamous IC-814 Hijacking case in which the FBI had registered in India as one of its citizen — Jeanne Moore — was in the Indian Airlines aircraft in the hijack case.
The sources said the FBI team was also facing some problem in breaking into the encrypted code of the Gramin GPS phones but since the company was headquartered in the US, they would be able to break it using the master key code of the instrument available with the company.
Both the FBI and the Scotland Yard Police have taken details of call records apart from finding out the longitude and latitude positions of the mobile phones used by the 10 terrorists when they were raining bullets on Mumbaiikers.
Samples of the explosive material and the timer used in the detonation of the Improvised Explosive Devices were also taken by the two foreign investigating agencies for examination.
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MUMBAI: Shiv Sena on Tuesday demanded the dismissal of Congress-NCP government in Maharashtra and imposition of President`s rule in the state in
the wake of deadly terror strikes in the country`s financial capital.
"We have demanded to President Pratibha Patil to dismissal of the state government and impose President`s rule," Sena executive president Uddhav Thackeray told reporters after meeting Patil at Raj Bhavan here.
Not satisfied with the resignation of deputy chief minister R R Patil, Uddhav said, "it is not the question of the resignation of one minister but Congress-NCP led Government has failed to handle law and order situation in the state."
Security of people is in danger and they are extremely angry with the government, he said, adding that elections should be conducted in the state immediately.
President Patil was in the city for two days to review situation after Mumbai terror attacks. She held discussions with chief minister Vilasrao Deshmukh and senior officials today.
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Mumbaikers may feel safe and secure if the city will be handed over to the military for some time.... politicians also can take breather if the military takes over mumbai.... people lost confidence on politicians,police,intelligence etc etc.... in the present situation,the people have high regard on military.... so,let them rule this important indian city and thus there is a chance of preventing terror attacks in future.......
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Military rule in Mumbai?!
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India says no question of military action over Mumbai | Pak Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi: We have offered a joint investigating mechanism | Navy Chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta: We didn`t have prior intelligence; better synergy between Coast Guard and Navy is required..................
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Pakistan, an international migraine, says former US Secretary Madeleine Albright
Counting many elements, including terrorism and nuclear weapons, in Pakistan as causes of international worries, a former top US
official has described the South Asian country as an "international migraine". ( Watch )
"...my own sense is Pakistan has everything that gives you an international migraine. It has nuclear weapons, it has terrorism, extremists, corruption, very poor and it`s in a location that`s really, really important to us. And now with this issue with India. So, I think that the current president and the current secretary of state, who`s on her way to India right now, have a very big job ahead of them," said former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright.
"And I also do think that the next president and the secretary of state are going to have to pay a great deal of attention to that combination of issues, Pakistan, India and Afghanistan, that all fit together. That`s very important to the United States," she added.
In the wake of current tension between India and Pakistan following the Mumbai terror attacks, Albright said that Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari was trying very hard to deal with the issue.
"...there`s an agreement that the Pakistanis understand what the issue is. I think that if we have clear evidence and intelligence that is one part of this. And that is the Achilles` heel of everything, which is whether you have actual intelligence.
"...I think that he is their president and he is working very hard to try to get control over what is a very difficult place," she added.
Responding to a query on a remark made by President-elect Barack Obama, at his press conference in Chicago, in the wake of last week`s terror attacks in Mumbai, the ex-official also endorsed the stand of the incoming US president.
"I think that what President-elect Obama said about the fact that every country, under the United Nations, has the right to defend itself that is absolutely true. But it`s also true that they are investigating everything right now and that it is not appropriate for those of us that are not in the government to comment on this," Albright said on CNN`s Situation Room programme.
"I think that sovereign nations obviously have a right to protect themselves. Beyond that, I don`t want to comment on the specific situation that has taken place in South Asia right now," Obama had said when asked if India had the same right as he claimed his administration had in going after terror targets inside Pakistan with or without the permission of the government in Islamabad.
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