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Stock Market Crash of 1929
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BhavishyavaniPrice when posted : BSE: Rs 483.05 ( -4.37 % ), NSE: Rs. 481.10 ( -5.01 % )
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Stock Market Crash of 1929
The 1920’s were a time of peace and great prosperity. After World War I, the “Roaring Twenties” was fueled by increased industrialization and new technologies, such as the radio and the automobile. Air flight was also becoming widespread, as well. The economy benefited greatly from the new life changing technologies.
As the Dow Jones Industrial Average soared, many investors quickly snapped up shares. Stocks were seen as extremely safe by most economists, due to the powerful economic boom. Investors soon purchased stock on margin. Margin is the borrowing of stock for the purpose of getting more leverage. For every dollar invested, a margin user would borrow 9 dollars worth of stock. Because of this leverage, if a stock went up 1%, the investor would make 10%! This also works the other way around, exaggerating even minor losses. If a stock drops too much, a margin holder could lose all of their money AND owe their broker money as well.
From 1921 to 1929, the Dow Jones rocketed from 60 to 400! Millionaires were created instantly. Soon stock market trading became America’s favorite pastime as investors jockeyed to make a quick killing. Investors mortgaged their homes, and foolishly invested their life savings in hot stocks, such as Ford and RCA. To the average investor, stocks were a sure thing. Few people actually studied the fundamentals of the companies they invested in. Thousands of fraudulent companies were formed to hoodwink unsavvy investors. Most investors never even thought a crash was possible. To them, the stock market “always went up”.
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Interesting article on Ferro chrome demand
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suvvenaPrice when posted : BSE: Rs 70.45 ( -4.99 % ), NSE: Rs. 70.50 ( -4.99 % )
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Article dated 2nd October 2008
Commodity of the month: Ferrochrome
Laura Staples Thursday, 2nd October 2008 Ferrochrome is an alloy of chrome and iron containing 50-70 per cent chrome.
Ferrochrome is an alloy of chrome and iron containing 50-70 per cent chrome. Around 65 per cent of all ferrochrome is consumed by stainless steel production. Demand for ferrochrome is dependent on stainless steel demand -- and this in turn is linked to GDP growth because of its applications in the production of white goods, in the automotive industry and in heavy industry.
The economic downturn has reduced demand for stainless steel, but analysts believe supply constraints will push the price up in the longer term. South Africa is the world’s biggest ferrochrome producer. Its state-controlled energy giant Eskom has problems generating enough electricity for both domestic and industrial use, so energy-intensive industry has had its power supplies cut. Ferrochrome companies have had to cut capacity and delay or cancel new projects, which could increase prices.
In early 2008, the price of the two standard grades of ferrochrome -- high carbon and charge chrome -- was around .20, but between April and September, the price range shot up to between .05 and .20 per pound.
Metal expert Markus Moll from the Austrian research consultancy SMR is confident of the long-term investment potential for ferrochrome on the grounds that the stainless industry will most likely return to growth in 2009. In addition to stainless demand boosting ferrochrome prices, Moll also suggests the substitution of expensive high nickel grades of stainless for lower nickel grades will boost ferrochrome demand. ‘In the long term, ferrochrome producers are a solid investment,’ he says.
One way of investing in ferrochrome is to buy shares in companies trading high carbon grades. This activity forms the spot market. Producers are mainly based in Kazakhstan and include the world’s biggest producer (on a chrome content basis) Eurasian Natural Resources Corporation (ENRC), which is traded on the London Stock Exchange.
Head of sales and marketing Jim Cochrane believes the continuing driving force behind demand growth will be Chinese consumer power. ‘If you consider that there are 1.4 billion people and currently there are only 20 cars per 1,000 people, compared to 700 in the United States, then there is significant potential for future growth. We’re very bullish on the long-term potential for stainless steel,’ he says
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Rohit ferro is a buy on every dip if one has a long term view...
L A R S E N was a G E M today : FOR ME
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KarthiknPrice when posted : BSE: Rs 1008.10 ( -6.94 % ), NSE: Rs. 1008.05 ( -7.00 % )
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WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...
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L A R S E N was a G E M today : FOR ME
Posted by : DUstocks
Many boarders decry small denomination trades, but Larsen`s swift and bi-directional movement today let me gain 5-10 rupees (average 7) as may as 17 times today ... and I was playing with 5 lots ... you can guess the results ... and of course my broker was mighty pleased too . 
The Logic
Posted by : manoPrice when posted : BSE: Rs 1675.40 ( 2.04 % ), NSE: Rs. 1674.65 ( 2.01 % )
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It is irritating to read some of the messages that some level will hold that seems to be consoling to the people who have invested at higher levels and making huge amount of loses. Once the down trend is on the share price can go anywhere be wise to protect your Capital even if it is lose book lose and sit In Cash until the market stabilize. On a falling market there is no such stock which is good for any reason. The TV commentators or an annalist might tell this is the good level to enter for long term investors they are the same people will be telling you later we warned people to exit at higher level so please do not listen to any one after all it is your money. The market is going to be here for ever there shall be good time come again may be few months or years later one can make money provided if one is wise to save their capital. The share prices might have come down so low from the highest point it might tempting for a buy that is where the small investors are trapped please do not average or go on a buying spree..the targets given to sensex are 10000 to 8000 That seems to be so foolish as we ever predicted the market to see the level of 21000 during 2003 when the sensex was at 2300 level my dear friends i wish to conclude with a note i bought SAIL 300 shares(2002)@Rs3.50/- through ICICI Direct after some days the share price had come down to Rs 3/- i placed a sell order at Rs3/- for with lose of 0.50 Pisa. The system refused to sell because the buy or sell order should not be less than Rs.1000/- so i bought 400 shares at Rs3/- and sold all my holding of 300+400. During that time i happen to watch the quarry time @ CNBC I was shocked to see an investor queering about SAIL who bought that share at Rs 60/- when the market price was @3/- hence the price of a share is determined by the trend and the sentiments rather than our half knowledge analyses...
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ma short term calls
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vtycoonPrice when posted : BSE: Rs 496.20 ( 1.77 % ), NSE: Rs. 496.75 ( 1.92 % )
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short PNB earrly trade at intra day high level arnd 500 fr a target of 485....
njoy ma free calls :)o cya tomo...
The Logic
Posted by : manoPrice when posted : BSE: Rs 1311.35 ( -10.03 % ), NSE: Rs. 1310.80 ( -9.98 % )
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It is irritating to read some of the messages that some level will hold that seems to be consoling to the people who have invested at higher levels and making huge amount of loses. Once the down trend is on the share price can go anywhere be wise to protect your Capital even if it is lose book lose and sit In Cash until the market stabilize. On a falling market there is no such stock which is good for any reason. The TV commentators or an annalist might tell this is the good level to enter for long term investors they are the same people will be telling you later we warned people to exit at higher level so please do not listen to any one after all it is your money. The market is going to be here for ever there shall be good time come again may be few months or years later one can make money provided if one is wise to save their capital. The share prices might have come down so low from the highest point it might tempting for a buy that is where the small investors are trapped please do not average or go on a buying spree..the targets given to sensex are 10000 to 8000 That seems to be so foolish as we ever predicted the market to see the level of 21000 during 2003 when the sensex was at 2300 level my dear friends i wish to conclude with a note i bought SAIL 300 shares(2002)@Rs3.50/- through ICICI Direct after some days the share price had come down to Rs 3/- i placed a sell order at Rs3/- for with lose of 0.50 Pisa. The system refused to sell because the buy or sell order should not be less than Rs.1000/- so i bought 400 shares at Rs3/- and sold all my holding of 300+400. During that time i happen to watch the quarry time @ CNBC I was shocked to see an investor queering about SAIL who bought that share at Rs 60/- when the market price was @3/- hence the price of a share is determined by the trend and the sentiments rather than our half knowledge analyses...
Stock going into stronger hands
Posted by : ManiBhaiPrice when posted : BSE: Rs 91.70 ( -10.41 % ), NSE: Rs. 91.75 ( -11.35 % )
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Oh! the stock has shown considerable strength today by NOT dropping 19.99% :-)...
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Stock going into stronger hands
Posted by : 14all..all41
EPS is more than 20.....Value of share is 98......This is terrible.BUY BUY BUY BUY
some more updates
Posted by : swamin131Price when posted : BSE: Rs 152.70 ( -0.52 % ), NSE: Rs. 150.10 ( 1.38 % )
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Dear co-shareholders,
Rs. 230 substantially undervalues the business. As I had mentioned earlier, Rs. 350 is a fair value. If the delisting were to happen at Rs. 230 (a discount of approx. 35% to fair value), I am more than willing not to offer my shares and sit as a minority shareholder. Some discount is understandable as we have to leave some money on the table but not 35%. Let us not underquote.
Thanks and regards,
Swami
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some more updates
Posted by : khabri007
hi
as i told earlier
bhuruka gas delisted at 41 [ floor price 25 ]
earlier i told that chances were at 48 [ because there was one final day to go when i posted my message ] , but finally it was at 41, still
60 % more than floor price in this mkt. condition.
lotte india > price discovered at 825 [ floor price 300 ] company has rejected this offer. here price is 175 % more than floor price.
very few incidence where price is given more than 100 % of floor price examples are
panasonic avc > delisted price 30 [ floor price 14.16 ]
sygenta > delisted at 730 [ floor price was 351 ]
vickers system > delisted at 184 > floor price was 85 here there were 2 offers for earlier one they bought at 185 against floor price of 69.30 .
but there are atleast 25 to 30 companies who have pais anything between 50 to 100 % more than floor price.
one more thought of my fellow boarder
here it is.....
If the company is delisted.. we still will be shareholders and since the maximum number of shares are held by promoters the largest beneficiary or the largest losers are going to be the promoters..
So all said and done if the company has value the value will be unlocked .. listed or not listed..
Tata sons is not listed and tatas are not the largest shareholder in the company.. but the company is worth a lot of money and the shareholders have got a lot of value.. even if its not listed..
Yes its good if we all can band together and request for a higher bid.. dont know if it really works..
I am sure essar steel which has been delisted has a lot more value and the company will be much more than what it is on the day of delisting..
now my reply of this
we are always at a loss in delisting.
promoters must knows much more than us regarding their own company.
they will not even pay you full price.
if they pay that,then there is nothing left for them on the table .
so they always have an upper hand.
but otherwise we also don`t have any options
regarding value unloking its not as easy as it seems
best example is reliance group. though value was there it unlocked only after splits.
otherwise nobody has predicted the price the reliance siblings got after split.
but this is all about stock mkt .
complete irrational behaviour........................
this is a long mesage but in a nut shell in any case delisting should not be below 230 . [ 65 % more than expected floor price of 140 ]
all views are welcomed
regards
khabri007
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Many scrips like DCW, Ispat Industries, etc. were not dared to move from 11 and 14 respectively. Both the scrips were high rocketed before Jan 2008. Now, both these scrips had reached its actual level. The same is the case with NFCL. NFCL was range bound between 14 and 18 before shooting up to 89. Now, time has come to see Rs 14/- i.e. its actual level and to stay range bound between ...
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Posted by : gkmurthy1748
by april every one will be after this share =========the buyers who keep for 6 months will be prudent lot ===============the sellers lament =============
Decoupling days are coming ahead.........
Posted by : treasureddhanPrice when posted : BSE: Rs 32.65 ( -0.15 % ), NSE: Rs. 32.60 ( -0.15 % )
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American will start killing each other soon. ...
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Decoupling days are coming ahead.........
Posted by : treasureddhan
Dow down 329 now, crisis is hitting large. All the regulators and protectors of economy in US confused and had lost all their will power. Growth rate likely to dwindle. America gone to dogs. India decouple and tomorrow Index would open up high and take its own course as if it is not concerned . Infy the fraudulent company , its executive would take the share up so as to liquidate and wash their hands. Indian Market would be positive tomorrow. It may not be wonder we could hear dow crashing down to 1000 pts today trading at 8000+ levels
Buy Suzlon Energy, target of Rs 194: Nirmal Bang
Posted by : arun manudhanePrice when posted : BSE: Rs 124.60 ( -1.97 % ), NSE: Rs. 124.35 ( -2.05 % )
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do not beleve these Recomanders . THey do not know any thing. Money is urs. If u can control ur B.p. for two yrs then buy any moments
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Buy Suzlon Energy, target of Rs 194: Nirmal Bang
Posted by : MMB Messenger
Nirmal Bang has assigned a buy rating on Suzlon Energy with a target of Rs 194. The research firm expects Suzlon to report a CAGR of 38.5% during FY08 to FY12E in net sales on the back drop of strong order book position and significant expansion plans of the company.
Buy Suzlon Energy, target of Rs 194: Nirmal Bang
Posted by : MMB MessengerPrice when posted : BSE: Rs 124.60 ( -1.97 % ), NSE: Rs. 124.35 ( -2.05 % )
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Nirmal Bang has assigned a buy rating on Suzlon Energy with a target of Rs 194. The research firm expects Suzlon to report a CAGR of 38.5% during FY08 to FY12E in net sales on the back drop of strong order book position and significant expansion plans of the company....
NUKE Deal & LARSEN and TOUBRO
Posted by : phkPrice when posted : BSE: Rs 1008.10 ( -6.94 % ), NSE: Rs. 1008.05 ( -7.00 % )
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dustocks,sir,i always see your home page,as you go for ST,fno &cash,I see that your messages are 4560 & hits 19000,does this means that hits, are due to your calls which were correct& profitable?is this the only criteria for hits?if so then you must be good//as i am always adviced to be ,and am a long term investor,i am really suprised,and also happy for you//PHK//...
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NUKE Deal & LARSEN and TOUBRO
Posted by : DUstocks
Well ! If Larsen genuinely feels concerned enough about its FRESH futures orders ... then THAT`s just THAT ... get ready for 750 at least. I am. Only thing that bothers me is that THESE news reports have often proved quite fallacious (and maclicious too) to quite some extent !!
Decoupling days are coming ahead.........
Posted by : treasureddhanPrice when posted : BSE: Rs 32.65 ( -0.15 % ), NSE: Rs. 32.60 ( -0.15 % )
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Dow down 329 now, crisis is hitting large. All the regulators and protectors of economy in US confused and had lost all their will power. Growth rate likely to dwindle. America gone to dogs. India decouple and tomorrow Index would open up high and take its own course as if it is not concerned . Infy the fraudulent company , its executive would take the share up so as to liquidate and wash their hands. Indian Market would be positive tomorrow. It may not be wonder we could hear dow crashing down to 1000 pts today trading at 8000+ levels...
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Decoupling days are coming ahead.........
Posted by : harishkrsharma
100 points down.........UK banks seems to be in trouble now. The only positive today was Australia has reduced 1 bps rates after 1992. now the global peers are injecting liquidity to hold the markets.
Dow too would reduce 50 bps rates in the next meet. RBI needs to reduce further 50 bps immediately within this month.
harish sharma
My learnings from truth...
Posted by : NRIInvesterPrice when posted : BSE: Rs 7.82 ( -2.25 % ), NSE: Rs. 7.75 ( -3.13 % )
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Dear skasera, I think we are on same page now. If you read properly, I said if we are not convinced about future of a stock (i.e. business or management) then better to exit completely from a stock irrespective of profit or loss. This averaging should be done only if when we trust on a stock.
As far as TD is considered, I will personally suggest better to hold it for couple of years. Great things happen in share market. You will definitely get good exit point....
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My learnings from truth...
Posted by : skasera
To Bull 2008 and NRI Investor..
1. Regarding averaging: I brought Dena bank at 36, kept buying till 23, and start selling from 36, sold part, saw 100 and eventually sold at 55. So averaging is good, but most times it backfires. My father who is very old timer considers a period of 3-5 years with constant averaging to get very low cost price. As soon as some stock turn arounds over 5-10 year period, he sells them and brings those with very bad market condition (but good management). Some of his recent picks are textile stocks including Maral Overseas, Malwa Cotton, Indo Rama Synthetics, HPCL, etc. Some of his multibaggers (mostly exited by now) are JK lakshmi, Dalmia Cement, Orient paper, Guj Alkali, India Cement, etc. So averaging is good in a given long term horizon. During panic and extremely bad conditions, it is deadly.
2. I agree TD is not investment grade. If discussion on good bad and ugly is kept aside (many stocks have given 70% cuts but they do not deserve hatred), then single point of poor communication is reason to quit. But then we have entered at various levels from 16 to 66, Now the question is (going back to point 1) of averaging? Do we average at 7? And do we put more money to get back good money? The psychology factor as talked by Mr. Kundu? Point is when money is so short and when you hardly have shares to sell to buy TD, how can you get money to buy more TD?
To each his own.
CHEERS.
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