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18 Nov 2008 19:46

dear pkk,

Thanks for saying that i am a helpful boarder.

I really dont know the names which you mentioned.But what i have observed in the past 2 decades is , successful people( in stock markets) generally dont read these books. Instead they evolve are or use insider information.

And those who give excessive importance to this kind of books may end up getting caught on the wrong side many a time unless they are careful.B`coz these foreign authors take the examples from mostly US experiences and Indian economy is completely different from American economy.

Some of the American companies look forward to 50 years in future and spend money on innovation where as the best of the Indian companies dont even look forward to 5 years in future.Though it may sound harsh, it is true about Indian companies.

regards

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WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000

Posted by : pkk07

I understand that Novice. I have read both Graham and Fischer as well as at least one TA book.

Yes I do lack experience since I have been investing/trading for not too long but with knowledgeable and helpful boarders like you around, I am learning good things.

18 Nov 2008 19:40

Dipan Mehta, Member, BSE and NSE, said 8,000-8,500 have been good levels in the past because of aggressive buying coming in from domestic insurance companies. “Based on the present statistics and analyst estimates, it would appear that around 8,000-8,500 would be a good value picking opportunity."...

18 Nov 2008 19:38

Hopes

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Anything can happen in current circumstances. A small bad news is sufficient to send Nifty to 10% lower circuit in the morning. What local investors have to do is to accumulate good stocks around 2250 level of Nifty and sell them at 2800 level of nifty....

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Posted by : Abhinandantn

so u r expecting 2220, r u expecting it before Nov expiry ?. I was just expecting market may fall upto 2430.

Thanks
Abhinandan

18 Nov 2008 19:34

I understand that Novice. I have read both Graham and Fischer as well as at least one TA book.

Yes I do lack experience since I have been investing/trading for not too long but with knowledgeable and helpful boarders like you around, I am learning good things....

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WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000

Posted by : novice1000

dear pkk,

That is Trading.That cant be compared with investment strategies.

Let me add one more thing.. it is not just sufficient if the stock is good..there should be visible growth in that period and the right entry price is very important.

A wrong entry price in a good stock may not fetch any returns for life time.

Or even a wrong entry timing( like entering in to a stock which already witnessed the growth) in a good and well managed stock may not fecth any returns at all even in a time horizon of 5 to 10 years.

For example,those who want to enter in to telecom stocks may not find it a profitable investment in the long term as the sector has already witnessed good amount of growth.

regards

18 Nov 2008 19:29
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FII or HNI buys stocks from indian public at low rates, then sell back to them at higher rates - profits.

Now indian public with shares bought at high rates selling back to FII/HNI at low rates - losses

for someone to make money in the market,it requires the small so called investor to be there ?...

18 Nov 2008 19:28

dear pkk,

That is Trading.That cant be compared with investment strategies.

Let me add one more thing.. it is not just sufficient if the stock is good..there should be visible growth in that period and the right entry price is very important.

A wrong entry price in a good stock may not fetch any returns for life time.

Or even a wrong entry timing( like entering in to a stock which already witnessed the growth) in a good and well managed stock may not fecth any returns at all even in a time horizon of 5 to 10 years.

For example,those who want to enter in to telecom stocks may not find it a profitable investment in the long term as the sector has already witnessed good amount of growth.

regards...

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WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000

Posted by : pkk07

Hi Honestytrack,
I think the most important lesson in your story is that one should not just pick up a good stock but also stick to it for a really long time like 5-10 years for amazing returns. Most TA people don`t think beyond the end of day.

18 Nov 2008 19:18

Hi Honestytrack,
I think the most important lesson in your story is that one should not just pick up a good stock but also stick to it for a really long time like 5-10 years for amazing returns. Most TA people don`t think beyond the end of day....

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WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000

Posted by : honestytrack

yes true. i bought marico 2000 shares at 165 each. 2 times 1: 1 bonus making it 8000 and split 1: 10 . 80,000. current price 50.
so you know. my cost ahs been zero since they have paid almost 15000 rupees dividend each year.

18 Nov 2008 19:16

Hopes

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so u r expecting 2220, r u expecting it before Nov expiry ?. I was just expecting market may fall upto 2430.

Thanks
Abhinandan...

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Hopes

Posted by : alokvarshney52

I will watch the movement around 2250. Then only timeline for 1990 would be predicted. Your views pl.

18 Nov 2008 19:13

dear DU,

If one understands the businesses properly, F&O is not really required for effective portfolio management.

However in many a case, people fail to understand the businesses properly. In such scenarios F&O is useful as a good hedging tool.

If i have to give a small example, genuine analysts( not those who come in CNBC) wrote off IT from investment point of view in as early as 2005. But those who think they understand the IT business( but not) failed to come out of those stocks.And in such scenarios F&O, as you rightly said helps as an excellent hedging tool.

regards...

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WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000

Posted by : DUstocks


Sorry for butting in brother ! You say that "long term investments are the mantra for making best dividends from your portfolio management". But the very basis of effective portfolio management is possession of at least an operative knowledge of the essential FnO risk-management tools - which all come within the realm of `FnO trading` (for portfolio-management, and NOT as a gross speculative indulgence per se). So ironical ! Just my view.

18 Nov 2008 19:11

Hopes

Posted by : alokvarshney52
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I will watch the movement around 2250. Then only timeline for 1990 would be predicted. Your views pl....

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Hopes

Posted by : Abhinandantn

when u r expecting Nifty to reach 1990, this year or next year ?

Thanks
Abhinandan

18 Nov 2008 19:07

Hopes

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when u r expecting Nifty to reach 1990, this year or next year ?

Thanks
Abhinandan...

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Posted by : alokvarshney52

In worst case scenario, if Nifty does not find support at 1990, then only GOD will save Indian Stock Market.

18 Nov 2008 19:03
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In worst case scenario, if Nifty does not find support at 1990, then only GOD will save Indian Stock Market....

18 Nov 2008 19:00

dear honestytrack,

An addendum for the previous one.There are many successful traders who made money and there are many unsuccessful investors who never made any money in stock markets.

It all depends on how well one plays ones cards.

regards...

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WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000

Posted by : honestytrack

well one more thing novice2000,

give your investment time to grow. do not become a trader as against an investor. in fact a friend of mine used to tell me she bought a flat in dadar from her dad`s inestment in hindlever. i am telling long term investments are the mantra for making best dividends from your portfolio management.

18 Nov 2008 18:57

See my prediction made at 19:21 yesterday. It seems that my intuition is working. Let me hope that it works in future also....

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Range 2250-2850

Posted by : alokvarshney52

Today, Nifty faced strong resistence at 2850. Expect it to move down to 2650 tommorrow.

18 Nov 2008 18:55


Sorry for butting in brother ! You say that "long term investments are the mantra for making best dividends from your portfolio management". But the very basis of effective portfolio management is possession of at least an operative knowledge of the essential FnO risk-management tools - which all come within the realm of `FnO trading` (for portfolio-management, and NOT as a gross speculative indulgence per se). So ironical ! Just my view....

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WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000

Posted by : honestytrack

well one more thing novice2000,

give your investment time to grow. do not become a trader as against an investor. in fact a friend of mine used to tell me she bought a flat in dadar from her dad`s inestment in hindlever. i am telling long term investments are the mantra for making best dividends from your portfolio management.

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